【両手・片手】 バックハンド総合★8 【スライス】

1 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/27(火) 04:21:06.67 ID:bOop5d7x.net

バックハンドについてのスレです

バックハンドが苦手な人、得意な人
片手の人、両手の人　
フラット、トップスピン、スライス
なんでもどうぞ

荒らしはスルーでよろしくお願いします

前スレ
【両手・片手】 バックハンド総合★7 【スライス】
http://hayabusa6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/tennis/1472828492/

2 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/27(火) 07:15:03.59 ID:eKbUseim.net

スプリットダブルハンド
両手打ち進化してるね。

スプリットダブルハンドの最大の長所だれか教えてください

3 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/27(火) 13:15:01.07 ID:f+5812Bv.net

>>1乙！立てようとしたらもう立ってた

俺は時間的に余裕がある時は威力と爽快感のある片手バック、食い込まれた時は打点を自在に変えられる両手バックだ
スクールなんか行くとまずこういうクセを直されるんだろうな

4 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/27(火) 15:40:03.92 ID:eKbUseim.net

スプリットダブルハンドが普及してきてるってことは、片手バックの威力が
ある選手が増えてるってことなのかな？
それともリターン対策か？

5 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/27(火) 22:25:04.18 ID:xdKNRIeM.net

スプリットダブルハンドって、何よ？

誰か定義を教えてくれ

6 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/28(水) 04:38:41.80 ID:fv9F+yij.net

>>5
従来の両手打ちなら基本的に両手くっ付けてスイングしてただろ
スプリットダブルハンドって、左手を離してスイングするらしいぞ
左手主導型でブロック感覚で打ち負かされない印象うけるけど、リーチはさらに
狭くなるだろうし、リターン向きのショットだと思うね

7 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/28(水) 07:10:43.25 ID:djNVIYQl.net

昨日スプリットなんちゃらを真似してやってみたけどいいぞこれ
なんか左肩関節の可動域が広がってより左手を使える
おまけにスウィング時の左肩関節の窮屈さがなくなってフォームもスムーズになった
自分は人より腕が長いから逆にこっちの方がしっくりきたわ

8 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/28(水) 12:17:36.79 ID:UJIrZcb7.net

そんなのよりスピリットシングルハンドの方が熱いし

9 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/28(水) 12:40:09.24 ID:PDpuS0ah.net

>>6 ふむふむ　

だけど、俺はフツーでいいわ

10 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/28(水) 16:19:47.29 ID:XWSwz31x.net

スプリットダブルハンド
のグリップで握ってみたら
ﾃｰｸﾊﾞｯｸ小さく打点も前で
打ちやすいと思う
シングルハンドのオレ
ラケットで構えたら面安定が良くいきなり打てそう

年始のテニスで試してみる

11 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/28(水) 20:05:58.75 ID:AuLQqagA.net

前スレが基地外埋め荒らしのせいで落ちたから、レスが間に合わなかったわ……

844 名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！ 2016/12/26(月) 12:01:17.57 ID:2dN/MIF+
錦織ってバックハンドのリターンの時左手がグリップじゃなくてスロート部分を握って打ち返しているよな
キッズはマネしないほうがいい変わった癖だと思う

845 名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！ sage 2016/12/26(月) 12:29:45.83 ID:8pQqziLv
癖というか、とっさの時に間に合わなかっただけだと思うが
一種のグリップずれみたいなもんで

848 名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！ 2016/12/26(月) 13:03:36.15 ID:2dN/MIF+
>> 845
同じダブルハンドのジョコはちゃんと両手でグリップを握って構えてる
錦織の場合はよりリターンで攻めるためにフォアの構えで構えているからそうなっちゃうんだね

レディポジションの時の左手の位置は、錦織以外ではフェレーロも同じだった
https://youtu.be/ykmtOfPsqbU
でも、両手打ち選手のほとんどはジョコと同様に左手もグリップをしっかり握るタイプだから、極少数派やね
見てると時間がないリターンの時だけに限らず、
普通のラリーでも一々左手をずらしてスロートを軽く握ってるから、
ラケットをくるくる垂直に回す人と同じくやっぱり癖というか、
習慣みたいなものなんだと思う

12 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/29(木) 09:14:48.80 ID:JNqmca9e.net

サンプラスが肘まげてブロック感覚からのリターンは理想的だったわけだよな。
片手の場合はスライスって手もあるんだけど、２００キロのサーブを
リターンするのに、両手ならスプリットダブルハンド片手ならスライスもしくは
サンプラスの様に肘を折ってブロックドライブみたいな感じ
やっぱりサンプラス好きだなｗｗ

13 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/29(木) 10:19:15.98 ID:JNqmca9e.net

サンプラスからとまってる俺が書くのも説得力ないけどさ・・・
今の時代でもサンプラスのテニスって古臭くないの？フォアは別として

14 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/29(木) 12:04:51.04 ID:v4/yzqjK.net

サーブとボレーは今でも別格
フォアは薄いグリップでなおかつ肘からテイクバックするスタイルなので今のストローカーには打ち負けると思う

15 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/29(木) 12:06:17.14 ID:dPi5hDqh.net

サンプのサーブとアガシのリターンは、いまでも最先端だよ。
誰もその域に並べていない

16 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 07:21:37.24 ID:PhYgxziN.net

>>14
なるほど。それいいね
フォアが駄目なのは現役から知ってる。
>>15
アガシのリターンもかよ
そこまで極端に変化してる訳でもなさそうだね

17 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 07:30:21.88 ID:fyREqjyf.net

>>11
元々は個人の癖かも知れないが、実際やってみると案外理にかなっているかも?って感じた
なんせ左手の可動域が広がって自由度が上がりインパクト時のプッシュが効く感じがあるね
低い球の扱いや崩されたときなど課題はあるかもしれないが、このまま邪道で終わる技術ではない予感がする
上手くやればより発展させられるグリップかも知れない

18 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 07:33:46.86 ID:PhYgxziN.net

サンプラスもフォアはイースタン気味のグリップをあえて変えなかったね。
途轍もないショットも放った一方で、崩れるとしたらフォアからだったし
古いグリップをあえて変えないのもボレーヤーとしては生きたしね
故意にスイートスポット外してランニングショートクロスとか放ってたけど
精度は他の選手に比べて劣ってたな
プロスタッフのラケットに拘ったのも、その辺だろうね
さすがにトッププロだから、高レベルでイースタン最強だったけどあのフォア真似る人は誰も
いなかったな。

19 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 07:40:51.03 ID:PhYgxziN.net

>>11
癖っちゃ癖だろうけど
俺の勝手な妄想ｗだと、ジュニア時代にアメリカいって
背のでかい爆発的なサーブ打つ連中と練習した結果
あのリターンがたまに出てしまうんだと思うよ。
スロート持つって、相当強いサーバーを相手にしてないと
発想すらわかんもん
伊達なんかのテンポの速いテニスが子供時代に男子と
トレーニング中心でやった結果のスタイルだと妄想ｗするよ

20 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 07:45:33.46 ID:PhYgxziN.net

錦織は意外とスライス使うから、リターン時に迷うってのも
あるかもな
スライスで返すか強打するかの選択肢をコンマ数秒の世界で
判断するわけだからスロートもってしまうってのも
考えられるな

21 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 10:21:56.17 ID:v+/X57DX.net

スロートもつとかありえん…と思ってたけど、前衛でバックサイドの足元に相手のスマッシュがきた時、とっさにそうなることがある。

22 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 10:55:39.80 ID:cRr1Go/S.net

みんなだって前に出てのネットプレー時なら、
同じように左手（非利き手）でスロート持つでしょ？
そしてストロークでもバックスライスなら片手
それを考えれば別に極端に変って訳でもないと思う
一部女子みたいにバックスライスやボレーも両手でやる派とかじゃなければね

23 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/30(金) 21:28:20.25 ID:7vjRp+W3.net

>>18
逆クロスと高いボールの処理がpooh

ランニングショット・カウンターパスが強烈だっただけで、最強ではない

24 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/31(土) 08:26:57.87 ID:ah6MohKR.net

アガシとの一戦は集中力・精神力も最高潮だったんじゃないかな。
意地を感じた
あそこまでサンプラスがストロークで勝負するシーンは過去にも先にもないね
アガシ・クーリエ・チャンあたりのしこり屋がライバル視されてたと思うけど
あえてベースラインからのしこり対決でねじ伏せたからね
あれがメンタル的にピーク時だったのかな？？

25 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/31(土) 08:43:17.35 ID:ah6MohKR.net

意地だけじゃなく怒り・悲しみも見えたね
アガシ・クーリエ・チャンの様なシコリ屋への怒り・悲しみ
しこるしか脳無かったからな

26 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/31(土) 10:49:19.20 ID:ah6MohKR.net

アガシ・クーリエ・チャンなんてのはシコリ屋が強化された選手だったから。
シコリ屋やるならセレスｖｓサンチェスのサンチェス並みに豪快に
いってほしかった。
サンチェスは相手の足が痙攣するまでシコリますよって意思表示感じた試合だった

27 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2016/12/31(土) 10:58:12.47 ID:ybQk8Wmg.net

スレチ爺年末ぐらい大人しくしてろ

28 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/01(日) 20:18:53.29 ID:G9lEQlGI.net

フェデラー以前の人のプレイがわからないので．．．．．．

29 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/04(水) 14:14:31.28 ID:dkw8oW32.net

両手か片手か決めなくても、場合によってどっちでも打つというスタイルもアリだよね
中途半端になると言われそうだが、個人的には食い込まれた時とコースを狙う時は両手、キメのハードヒットは片手と大体わかれる

30 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 10:12:10.81 ID:SbopcuvN.net

>>29
アマチュアで両方使ってうまい人は見たことがない。
練習量が倍必要だし，大変だと思う。

31 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 13:20:31.16 ID:czPLA35h.net

両手打ちだけど、アプローチショットは片手の方が向いてるんじゃないか…と考えることはあるな。

32 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 13:36:25.90 ID:rtQF6qwF.net

トッププロでもスライスは片手というのが定着してきたしな
プレースタイルの常識なんてこれからいくらでも変わる可能性がある

33 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 17:18:55.03 ID:3FUiaBD6.net

スライスは片手が定着してない時代ってあったの？

34 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 18:06:38.68 ID:kWaHNZas.net

今はスライス以外、両手一択。

特に高い打点を強打できる利点は大きい。

35 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 18:53:47.14 ID:ttZytWNL.net

>>32
女子選手の話？

>>33
男子で両手バックスライスなんて、
ダビデンコとサントロ
（覚えていないけどギャンビルもそうだったかな？）ぐらいしか、
思い浮かばないわ

36 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 20:13:33.14 ID:E7S61QCP.net

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37 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 20:13:39.91 ID:E7S61QCP.net

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Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
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Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
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38 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 23:02:11.75 ID:rtQF6qwF.net

両手バックでもスライスは片手って意味でしょ
これもれっきとした両手と片手を使い分けてる例
それぐらい今までの文脈でわからんかね

39 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 23:25:54.51 ID:hEvkxIxT.net

>>38
だから定着してない時代なんかあったのか？って訊かれてるんだろうが

40 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/05(木) 23:40:43.73 ID:ZiB1w6HX.net

昔から、というかテニスはじまって以来ずっーーーと
両手バックでもスライスは片手だったけどな
両手スライスなんて邪道
プロアマ問わず

スライス両手で打つのなんて伊達くらいしか思いつかん

41 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 00:21:09.22 ID:a8HJmhg3.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

42 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 00:22:19.96 ID:c5wP8J7I.net

両手だと、どうしてもフォロースルーが短くなっちゃうしね〜

43 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 03:07:05.84 ID:p0Tn4it5.net

相手コートに的確にコントロールされて入るなら
両手のスライス邪道ではない


ただ、できないプレイはあるかもだが
新たな威力あるボールを打てるかも

44 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 09:12:42.64 ID:jH9GHc8Y.net

スライスは守備範囲の広さが魅力なのに両手にしてそれを消したら意味のないショットになる。

45 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 10:33:43.75 ID:c5wP8J7I.net

実際、プロで、両手スライスなんて、ほぼ皆無だからね

46 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 15:55:25.78 ID:6QTbPRHU.net

>>45
サントロさんみたいな変態もいたけどね
フォア・バックともに、ストローク・ボレー・スライス全部両手打ち

47 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 21:09:08.06 ID:Hzg2JNBN.net

スライス両手で打つ時代はないよ。
まあ、いまだに修造がスクエアスタンス教える感覚で両手打ちスライス
を覚えさせる時代はあったかなｗ

杉山愛もたまに両手でボレーしてるだろｗ
あの時代だよｗ杉山も両手でスライス打ってたぞｗ

48 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 21:13:55.82 ID:Hzg2JNBN.net

一時期、杉山がダブルスで活躍した時代なかったか？
あの頃に前衛にいるときの杉山の構えが両手でラケット握ってなかった？

杉山がダブルスで活躍した時代みてないけど、なんで杉山がダブルス活躍
できたの？

49 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 22:24:00.56 ID:r8chUWuu.net

>>48
シングルスで、トップ10入るプレイヤーが本気でダブルスやれば1位とれるだろ。

50 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/06(金) 23:00:34.90 ID:c5wP8J7I.net

つか、情けないことに、ダブルス専門ペアが、
シングルスのトップ選手の刹那的ペアに、あっさり負けてしまうのが現状。

51 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/07(土) 02:14:17.53 ID:gB2A5628.net

ツアーファイナルの優勝ペアが
ブリスベンで急造？シングルスペアに負けてましたねf(^_^;

52 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/07(土) 11:02:47.56 ID:WQBr3fQh.net

五輪ダブ金も

北京じゃ、フェデラー・ワウリンカ

ロンドンではブライアン兄弟がなんとか面目を

リオじゃ、もろ急増ペアのナダルと誰か

結局、搭載エンジンが違いすぎるんだよな〜

53 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/07(土) 13:38:05.25 ID:XSPVFX1O.net

その昔、セレスだの平木だのとかいてだな・・・

54 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/08(日) 12:11:33.65 ID:d3pkipJ2.net

明日、バボラＲＰＭブラスト(１．２０)　55ポンドでの
スライスを試す時が来ましたよ・・・フッフッフ

55 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/09(月) 05:22:16.67 ID:/jXRSxBP.net

滑るスライスって自分で打ってもイマイチ滑ってるのが見えないことない？
「すごい滑ったよ」とか言われても「え、そうだっけ？」みたいな
止まったり曲がったりはわかりやすいんだけど

56 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/09(月) 12:29:13.40 ID:3pXozBMb.net

低めの軌道を直線的に描いていたら、跳ねないんだろうな〜とかは思うけど

話は変わるが、ついさっき、ネットすれすれというか、
ネットにかするスライスが一発だけまぐれで出た。

57 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/09(月) 20:39:38.24 ID:geuvnjye.net

ただのコードボールがそんなに嬉しいものか

58 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 01:37:14.29 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

滑るスライスって自分ではわからんね。
ただ、スライスは多様性あるから色んな種類打てるように工夫したほうがいんじゃない
ボレー感覚・ロブ・ドロップ・サイドスピン　この４つを意識して
打てるようになればスライスの完成系に近づくと思う　

59 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 01:39:14.50 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

ボレー感覚ってのが基本じゃない？ボレー感覚で当ててフォロースルーで
回転量調整するってのが基本系にならない？ゲームでは安定して使えるしさ

60 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 02:23:08.01 ID:Qle98Bnl.net

フォロースルーで何しても打球は変わらないんだけどな

61 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 03:50:20.79 ID:Mt7ommp0.net

スライスって慣れれば打つのは簡単で力もいらないし、そんな打球で相手が自爆したりやりづらそうにしてるのを見て我ながらちょっと不思議な気持ちになる
だが、スライスマスターを相手にして初めてやられるほうの気持ちを痛感する

62 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 07:48:52.44 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

>>60
え？ストレートだったらその方向にフォロースルーもってくでしょ？
クロスならクロス方向に自然になるよね？
ドロップならリスト柔らかくする感じで短めになったり自然にそうなるでしょ
？？
スピン系でもサーブでも基本打ちたいコースにフォロースルーが自然に流れるでしょ
まさかワウリンカみたいに強靭なリストで手首だけでもってく能力あるの？？

63 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 07:53:39.43 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

>>61
レフテイーと同じで慣れられたらガンガン打ち返されることもただあるけどねｗ
サーフェス・今のベースライナー系の選手では結構打ちずらい球になってる気がするかな

64 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 07:59:07.94 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

フォロースルーだけでなく体全体が打ちたい方向に流れるでしょ
サーブだってファアサイドからツイストをセンターに打つのに左に流れるか？
そこまで器用で強靭なリスト持ちなら別だけど
プロでも騙せるよ

65 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 08:09:01.25 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

その辺の騙しのテクニックでいえば両手打ちに軍配上がる気がするんだよね
パッシングでダウンザラインにハードヒットしますよってポーズ取りながら
リストだけで軽くトップスピンロブ
これが素人でもできるのが両手
ニックボルテリーが推奨してる両手打ち　この辺の違いだね　

66 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 08:12:33.61 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

片手だとバレバレのスライスロブか、ダウンザライン・ショートクロス
これを両手のようにばれずにトップスピンロブ打てたのがサンプラス

肘曲げて打つから肘〜リストだけでコントロールできてた
たいがいの片手の選手はバレバレになるわけ

67 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 08:50:18.79 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

ワウリンカのバックの小技とフェデラーのフォアの小技って過去に
いないかもね
手首だけっていっても、体制崩されながらしっかり運動連鎖は行われてるし
そのうえでリストで持ってける能力あるもんね
サンプラスにはそこまでなかったと思うから肘〜リストに重点おいたんかな
って思う　ラケット性能の違いもあるけどさ
ワウリンカはリストだけでもっててるしね　実際は運動連鎖が崩れてないけど

68 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 08:50:37.62 ID:5BYQl5Cd.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

69 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 08:51:09.47 ID:5BYQl5Cd.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

70 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 09:03:30.56 ID:yZxWPaOW.net

ロブに変更して騙せるのはどんなショットでも可能なので両手の特権でも何でもない。
というかロブに変更できないのは欠陥ショットで，打ち方自体が間違ってる。

スライスは，隠されたら当たる瞬間までコースがマジでわからない。

71 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 10:08:11.81 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

>>70
それは言えてるねｗ
俺の場合、一番練習できる学生時代に両手から片手に変えて
スライス中心で徹底練習してきたせいがあるね
フォームが完成させる前に辞めたってのある
フォアのぐりスピンと何種類かのスライスが主体になってたし
ドライブ・スピンはパッシング時しか使わなかった

本戦でバックのスピン使うと先生に怒られるくらいだったからｗ
（気負って自分のテニスが出来なかった）とかいわれる始末だよ
周り上手もフォアのぐりスピとバックのスライスの緩急とボレーが
俺のテニスだったみたいだったね
でも、逆にサーフェスにもよるけど今ならこのスタイルが生きるかもな
って感じることあるよｗ

72 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 11:14:13.24 ID:yeNe7iJe.net

バボラＲＰＭブラスト(1.20)　バリバリ　スライスがかかります〜

その分、フラットショットの伸びが落ちた気がしますけどね。

これで今年は回転マスターに転職できます。

細い糸で堅めに張れって、教えてくれたスライスマスターに感謝しまっしゅ！

73 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 11:19:23.18 ID:yZxWPaOW.net

フラットはアマチュアのスイング速度だと柔らかいストリングでないと飛ばない。

74 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 12:59:04.76 ID:rUDuSvl+.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

75 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 19:37:28.50 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

ストリングまでこだわってるんか。
俺らの時代なんか一番安いロール買ってガット貼ってたぞ。
３日で切れてたからな　高校時代は何千本って貼ってたな

スライスだけ打つわけじゃないんだからテンション気にしすぎじゃないの？
俺らは地方だから標高は相当気にしてテンション考えてたな

76 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 19:42:31.21 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

細い糸で固めってストリンガーに騙されてないか？？
もっとも切れやすいじゃない
ノーマルの安いガットで縦と横のテンションを微妙に調整すれば
回転量かわるよ

細い糸でギザギザガットなんて使ったら金いくらあっても足らんよ

77 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:09:35.73 ID:QuNX8NxO.net

細いガットは角切れ多くて。

下手くそだというのは認める。

78 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:19:38.81 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

>>77
角切れって？？
あんまりな事いえないけど、そのストリンガー危険だと思うよ
どんなド素人が打っても角切れなんて起きないから・・

ちょっと危険だから言葉控えるけど、角切れなんて絶対おきない　断言する
ストリンガーの技術的問題
素人のストリンガーでも起きないかもな　ちょっと危険すぎる

79 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:26:56.36 ID:QuNX8NxO.net

角ギレしたことねえの？

80 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:29:33.05 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

角切れって何ｗ？？
スイートスポット以外で切れることないだろ
ちょっとスイートスポットから外れたってことか？

81 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:36:42.20 ID:okznsHKY.net

NGID:rG+VKgSh

82 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:38:12.75 ID:QuNX8NxO.net

トップで切れたことねえの？

83 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:42:35.32 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

ちょっと調べた。ガットに拘りすぎ　昔ながらの１，２０の安いロール
で良いと思うよ　縦横テンション変えればいい話だし

スキーやるのにウエアーに異常に拘るのと同じだよ　このウエアー着ると
風の抵抗受けにくいんだぜっていってるのと同レベル

84 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:44:17.39 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

>>82
ないよ　

85 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:46:39.25 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

俺の高校時代は１２年連続インハイ出場校だったから、いきなり
無理な乱打とかサービスなんてしないんよ
球出しから基礎つくりして乱打に入るから角切れした人なんて見たことも無い

86 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:50:57.01 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

スキーで言えばボーゲンから入るだろ。
いきなりモーグルとかジャンプから入ってる証拠だよ
基礎固めろ

87 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 20:55:03.71 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

>>82
トップで切れるってことは無理なサービス打ってるんだろ
まずサービスラインから練習するんだよ
そこでスライス　ツイスト　スピンを身に着けるの
力抜いてな
その基礎固めたら通常のサービスに入る

88 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 21:02:30.03 ID:rG+VKgSh.net

ベースラインでもいいけど、平行に足揃えて脱力させて
上半身だけで打つんだよ。それで上半身の捻り・肩・リストを
脱力状態で覚えるまでやるの
そのあとだと通常のサービスに入るのは
後は脚力つかって運動連鎖させて思いっきり打つってのが基本だよ

89 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/10(火) 23:44:44.79 ID:yeNe7iJe.net

腕がないから、道具で補います

細ガット切れたら、また貼りなおします

90 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 08:59:59.96 ID:Z6N/4W0M.net

角切れなんてこの１０年以上したことないんだけど。
ラケットに問題があるのでは？
グロメット交換したらどうだろう。

91 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 10:47:27.52 ID:eveV6P2f.net

わりーね。
俺の情報２０年以上前だからねｗ

でも、腕とか技術の問題じゃないと思うぞ
時間的な問題もあるけど基礎練習が固まってないのが一番
その癖に筋トレか他競技経験で下手にパワーあるから
フォーム固まってないのに力任せに打っちゃってるんじゃないのかなって推測するな

92 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 10:53:17.09 ID:eveV6P2f.net

とんねるずのノリさんみたいな感じなｗ
あの打ち方だと逆に角切れしかしないと思うｗ
ただ、楽しきゃいいんわけだ。いまさら草トーなんかでても疲れるだけだし
時間の無駄だしさ
楽しむのがテニス

93 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 11:23:53.41 ID:XEBZlDls.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

94 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 11:45:58.10 ID:eveV6P2f.net

大人なら一番いい練習法はオートテニスを１面解放してもらうことだね
３時間３０００円くらいで自由に使わせてもらう
毎日練習すればフォーム固まってくるよ

95 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 11:51:38.49 ID:eveV6P2f.net

体育会系出身者じゃないなら、オートテニスを解放してもらう
作戦が一番だと思うよ。
毎日３時間くらい３０００円で解放してもらってフォーム固める
余ったボールで脱力してサービス練習
それを半年間続けてフォーム固まってから

コートいって乱打する　大人ならこれしか方法ないんじゃないか？

96 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 12:05:15.84 ID:dsbcYxWU.net

NGID:eveV6P2f

97 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 12:32:10.57 ID:8YTocT2Q.net

角ギレって都市伝説級の出来事なんかね。

細ポリを高いテンションで張ったら、ちょっとしたことで切れそうなんだが。
つーか切れた。

98 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 20:09:15.84 ID:C0V/vqcD.net

大人なら3時間3000円で開放して営利的になりたつかわかりそうなものだが。

99 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/11(水) 22:34:42.45 ID:B2UwksiI.net

それより毎日3000円を半年続けたらフォーム固めとやらのために54万円かかることのほうが笑える
どんな大人がそんなことするんだよ
連投爺はそろそろ自重しろ

100 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 11:18:24.45 ID:dGJCYznv.net

キレた角野卓造じゃねーよ

101 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 16:18:36.51 ID:NK57fhD/.net

毎日じゃなくても、、、


球出しみたいなもんだから効果あるかもね

オートテニスて最近ある？

球のクオリティーが悪いし。

102 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 20:59:06.47 ID:XoA9jJZr.net

>>101
球のクオリテイーは今はかなり良いよ。
何種類も調整できるしボレーなんかもできる。
１２０キロくらいの球も調整できるし、ボレー練習したり
スライスやぐりぐりのスピンなんかも出来るね

103 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 21:03:08.57 ID:XoA9jJZr.net

ただ、自分が打つ軌道をイメージしずらいのが難点だな
やっぱりネットがあるから・・・
あんまりド素人だと効果は期待できんかな
都会は知らんけどテニスクラブって高いでしょ？
出会いとか中心で上手くなるためだけのテニスじゃないから良いんだろうけど
上手くなりたいなら繰り返し同じことやるしかないんだよな。
どんな競技でも同じだけどさ

104 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 21:07:30.59 ID:XoA9jJZr.net

スライスをマスターするにも繰り返し練習するしかない。
まずは基礎を固めて、それからあらゆるタイプの選手と練習する
しかないんだよな
ただ、基本が出来てないと角切りみたいな、異次元の事が起きる
この段階だと乱打しても本番で穴が浮き彫りになるよ
修造がスクエア教えるってのも決して間違ってない

105 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 21:10:49.45 ID:XoA9jJZr.net

前のスレッドで逆クロスのフォアを高い打点から踏み込んで打つ練習
してたけど、あれってスクエアできないと無理。
あれをオープンでワンテンポ遅らせて相手の動き見ながらドロップ・ストレート
なんかもバリエーション増やした方がいいけど、まずは基本を学ばないと
修造の教え方は正しいな
３を強調してたしさすが修造だよ　教え方もうまい

106 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 21:30:37.72 ID:4k4vgHSP.net

NGID:XoA9jJZr

107 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 21:49:10.74 ID:eoqs78g7.net

爺はいつも自分語りに夢中になってスレチに気づかない
俺も今後はNGにさせてもらうよ。さよならスレチ爺

108 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/12(木) 23:01:29.13 ID:+DFVBIVe.net

>>105
フォアの逆クロスはスクエアなんかじゃ打たないよKS

109 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 00:56:07.04 ID:a+GpZIKX.net

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jag_XqpGzQ
このくらいリラックスして打ってればいいんだよ
角ワレなんてありえないって

110 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 10:56:27.29 ID:wU2vOi4B.net

スライスマスターって、いるけどさ

あまり教えてくんないよね

核心部分はごまかすっていうか

ま、彼らの生命線だから仕方ないかもしれんけどさ

111 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 11:21:08.36 ID:ECx8QSKI.net

>>110
感覚的な部分が大きいから伝えようがない

112 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 12:09:57.79 ID:Ag2paSV/.net

>>110
文面から対スライスが苦手で高い打点からガンガン打ち込むタイプの両手打ちだと推測
できるんだけどさ

スライスって数熟してるだけにすぎないよ。
両手の選手が片手に変えた場合、スピン系のボールを最初は片手では不安定になる
だから真っ先にスライスをマスターしようと考える　自然とうまくなる
上手くなるからスライスをベースにしたゲームプランになるって話だ

技術論でいったらボレーの延長だよ。ボレー下手な人にスライスうまい奴ぜったいいない
ボレーをひたすら練習してればスライスの基本みにつくよ

113 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 12:14:48.98 ID:SkmR21Km.net

>>110
基本的な打ち方だけなら大して難しくないぞ
単にキレッキレの滑るスライス打てって言われたら俺だって打てる

スライス巧者たる所以は相手が打ってくる様々なショットに対して様々な変化を付けて返せることだから、そうそう教えられるようなもんじゃないだろ

114 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 12:21:06.92 ID:SkmR21Km.net

>>112
ボレーの延長がスライスというより、スライスの中にボレーが含まれると思う

ブロック気味のボレーで覚えた人はスライス打てないことがあるが、スライス打てればバックボレーは殆どそのままだし

115 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 12:40:20.45 ID:Ag2paSV/.net

>>114も両手打ちの人かなと思うけど

時代背景もあるけどスライスを単体で学ぶ練習なんてほぼ０に等しい
球出しでスライス打つなんてこともほぼ無いし、球出しでスライスを
覚えることは俺からすると出来ないと思う。

ボレーの延長と答えたのは、そのブロック気味のボレーを最初にマスターしないと
スライスの本質をつかめないから

そのブロック気味（厚く充てる）の感覚を最初に覚えて、ベースラインから色々変化させるだけだから
ベースラインからは薄く充てて回転量増やしたりサイドスピンかけたり

＞＞ブロック気味のボレーで覚えた人はスライス打てないことがあるが、スライス打てればバックボレーは殆どそのままだし

これは逆だと思うけど　ベースラインからのスライスは多様性あるしテイクバックも大きくなる
そのままボレーやれば対応できないと思うけど
逆じゃないかな？

116 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 12:51:06.95 ID:Ag2paSV/.net

球出し＝死んだボールって意味ね
相手の球威を利用するのがスライスなので乱打の中で覚える頻度がたかまる
もちろんフォームつくりで球出し＝死んだボールをスライスやるケースは
あるけど、本番でそんなレアな事はないから練習の意味があまりないってことね

117 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 14:01:07.77 ID:1tVfRWsf.net

うちのスクールはフォアバックとも片方スライスのみ片方スピンのみのシングルス練習でスライスの習得をしている。
フットワークも含めてとにかく生きたいろんな球を打って，いろんなコースに返すのが結局は習得の最短なのかも。

118 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 17:58:23.06 ID:Ag2paSV/.net

>>110
そのスライスマスターの攻略法おしえてあげるか
中ロブだよ。フォアに回り込まれない程度に深くて緩い中ロブ
ハードヒットせずにね
スライスマスターは相手の球威を利用するから中ロブが効果ある
試しにやってみな
相手のスライスの威力が半減するから　そしたら自分のテニスをすればいいだけ

119 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 19:58:56.54 ID:YM++JGEc.net

>>118
これはわりとマジ
アホなやつは普通にストロークしてきてネットにかけまくるけどな

120 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 20:22:09.86 ID:JJUhMS/r.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

121 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 20:22:10.72 ID:j/p6es39.net

結局面の作り方が下手なやつはどんなに的確なアドバイスしても無駄だよな。これ言ったら終わっちゃうけど。

122 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 20:24:39.78 ID:04BtSiPm.net

スライスマスターに中ロブばっかだと上がりっぱなライジング気味に合わせられてネット取られるイメージ。

123 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 20:30:19.02 ID:JJUhMS/r.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

124 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 22:59:37.61 ID:C57x5FVQ.net

>>115
　例えばジュニアの指導では初期にこそあらゆるショットを体験させるのが吉ってことで、ちゃんとやってるとこはスライスも教えるはずだけどなぁ

　スライスの本質はブロックじゃなくて、その名の通り切って（スライスして）アンダースピンをかけることだよ
　ハイボレーや上で話題になってる中ロブに対するスライスなんかも、切るように振り下ろすからこそ叩くことができる

テイクバックを取らないブロックボレーの感覚からは、死んだボールをスライスで叩くということが出来ないと俺は思う
そしてそんな人はスライスマスターなんかではない
それが出来る人なら、ヘッドを引かないテイクバックにするだけでボレーも出来るはず

125 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:00:45.58 ID:JJUhMS/r.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

126 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:20:35.35 ID:wU2vOi4B.net

スライスマスターって、やっぱ、おちこちに居るんですね〜

127 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:27:58.26 ID:JJUhMS/r.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

128 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:48:37.35 ID:tnuLHns0.net

スライスをどんな場面で使うかと言えば、今の両手打ち全盛の場合、低い浅い球の時かリカバリーショットくらいじゃないの？


リカバリーや低いボールをスライスで使うには、コンチネンタルがベストだけど、極論フォアイースタンくらいでも打てるのがいいと思う。

片手スライスの話ばかりだけど、両手バックハンドはどう？


基本まずは両手でクロスにしっかり打てて、ダウンザラインをいかに精度良く打ち込めるようになるかだと。
最近、利き手のグリップが薄い選手が多くない？
フェイスアップが流行っての事だと思うけど。

129 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:49:16.45 ID:JJUhMS/r.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

130 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:51:22.51 ID:Ai/XrF6e.net

>>128
バック厚くて、フォアがコンチなのが主流

薄い両手バックじゃ勝てないよ

131 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/13(金) 23:54:25.42 ID:JJUhMS/r.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

132 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 00:09:11.78 ID:IJwKzr7C.net

>>130
意味が、？

右手がコンチでしょ？

なら利き手が薄いのと同じじゃ？

133 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 00:10:56.79 ID:T7KSTc3k.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

134 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 01:44:49.09 ID:PM6IYx9F.net

スライスマスターとは…伝説上の存在なのじゃ…
誰も会った者はおらぬのじゃ…会えばただでは済まぬからの…
フォフォフォ、ゲフォッ

135 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 09:40:47.74 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

またスレチかも知れんがさ、錦織は両手貫いたのは正解だったわけだけど
修造なんて思い切って片手に変えてたら、もっと上いけたんじゃないかな？

修造があのプレースタイルであの時代で何故あそこまで両手に拘ったの？
誰か知ってる？

136 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:23:28.18 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

サンプラスなんかも片手に変えて成功したわけだけどさ
修造なんてあれだけのタッパあってビックサーブとボレー出来て
意外とスライスからのアプローチ・リターンダッシュなんかで
圧力かけたりしてたのに、両手打ちしてる意味なかったんじゃないかな？

だれか修造に聞いてみて

修造のストロークってあまりうまくなかったし、片手に変えてネット
取るようなスタイルの方があってたんじゃないか？

137 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:25:13.57 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

完璧主義者だったんかな？
クレー・ハード・芝　全てにおいてそれなりに戦いたかったのかな？

誰か修造に聞いてみて　両手に拘った理由を

138 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:26:58.75 ID:T8LZXK+T.net

修造はサーブだけはトップ10レベルに近かったけど、ボレーが上手いわけじゃなかったし、フットワークが壊滅的だったからなー。片手に変えたとしてもスライスオンリーになったんじゃないかな。

139 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:29:27.73 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

修造がフォアのスクエアにいまだに拘るのは理解できるんだよ
あの子供へのスクエア教えるのも修造のプレースタイルからすると理解できる
３を強調してるから問題ないと思うしよ

ただあの両手バックハンドの意味が全く分からない。
何の圧力も感じないし、両手打つときは前へ出る意図すら感じなかった
アプローチはスライスでいってたし両手に拘る意味が全くわからん

たんに日本のトップって事に重点置いたチキンだったんかな？
片手に変えれば一瞬でもランクしたの日本人に負ける可能性も出るだろうから

140 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:31:34.86 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

>>138
あんまり修造の現役知らないんだけどｗフットワーク悪かったの？？
それほどでもないでしょ？
エドバーグにも勝ってるし、マッケンローにもタイブレまで行ったわけだし

141 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:35:07.67 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

でも、イワニセビッチとかも両手を貫いてたか
なんとも言えんな

誰か修造に聞いてみて

142 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:37:52.08 ID:dLjtEpQO.net

一般レベルでシングルハンドのやつって年寄りかカッコつけの雑魚のどっちかだよね

143 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:39:01.73 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

>>142
まあ、それは否定できないｗ

144 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:47:52.24 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

>>142
もうひとつ付け加えると年寄り（アラフォー）でも１７５ｃｍ以下の片手打ちは
かっこつけから入ってるから　今も昔も変わらんな

145 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:50:56.55 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

まあ、あれだ
一般レベルだと自分の能力値の限界を大学くらいで知るから。
俺の同学年でも高校まで両手でインハイでたのに、大学２年次社会人になってから
片手に変えたやつ多数知ってる。
まあ、これ以上のレベルは期待できないって悟るのも大事だから
諦めも必要

146 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 10:55:24.85 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

鈴木孝男なんかもそうじゃないかな。
あの人はかっこつけないで両手でやってればもう少し上いけたと思うけどな

147 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 11:01:08.12 ID:mwyPlhfG.net

鈴木貴男　鈴木宗男

こんがらがっちゃうんだ〜

前者は英雄

後者は稀代の悪なのにね

148 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 11:25:15.10 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

買い物いってきた

あとね俺らが１８歳くらいでJリーグ開幕したんだよ
これがいけないｗ合コンいってもテニス部もてないｗ
ブクブクに太ったスポーツ経験ないようなやつですら、（俺もとサッカー部）
とかいう始末だから・・・・・

時代背景もあるね　ちょうどそのころ鈴木孝男も迷ったんじゃないかな？
１４歳で片手に変えてるっていったから思い切ったことしたね
半ばあきらめからのスタートだろうね　

149 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 11:28:16.32 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

体が出来上がる前の１４歳で片手に変えるって俺からするとアキラメの境地だった
と思う
ただ身体能力が想像以上に高かったんだろうね
プロにまで上り詰めたって話だね　鈴木孝男は全くテニスみたことないけどさ

150 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 11:32:30.45 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

鈴木貴男はテニスが好きだったんかな？
１４歳で片手に変えるって普通ならしないよ
あきらめてサッカーにでも転向しようとしてたんじゃないか？

151 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 11:36:54.83 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

継続は力なりだな
鈴木貴男を尊敬するわ

152 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 12:21:46.68 ID:PM6IYx9F.net

本日のNGID：UQWMCyFt

153 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 12:31:16.76 ID:K2y4WCqL.net

両手バックで打つ時、ボディー気味に来たから
バックに回り込みしたときに脚からの力を伝えららなくてどうも力が入らないんだよね、、、

両手バックは、左足から力を伝えるの？
それとも右足？

154 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 14:32:15.56 ID:ZpxJfY/n.net

たかおは逆に周りに敵がいなさすぎてテニスつまんなくなったから片手にしたんじゃないかと勝手な想像
うちの先輩でそういう人がいた

155 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 19:40:04.63 ID:PbdjyTA1.net

>>139
修造に対して日本のトップに拘ったとか無知にしても失礼だし何なんだよお前は…

156 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 23:35:28.53 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

>>155
このスレッドは感じた事を書けばいいんだよｗ
>>153
どっちが軸足でも打てるようにならないとならないと思うけどね
考えてる時点で意識が軸足に向きすぎてて力が入らないんじゃないの？
最終的には両方の軸足・もっといえば足なんて動かさずに膝だけでもってける
状態にしないとならないんじゃない？
両方で試して体が覚える状態まで練習するしかないかと・・・軸足云々いってる
時点で練習不足だと思うね

157 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 23:46:43.90 ID:UQWMCyFt.net

膝だけで表現おかしいけど踏み込まないで打てる状態もあるわけだから
右・左いってるってことはスタンス広すぎてない？
答えとして両方で打てるようにならないとバックハンドマスターしたことにならないよ
まあ、錦織の両手バックみても余裕があれば踏み込んでるし右足で打てれば
いいんだろうけどね

158 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/14(土) 23:49:47.27 ID:ynMc/DLa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

159 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 00:35:18.44 ID:bfNBY/bk.net

ながなが仮説語って誰か聞いてくれ厨と練習不足厨
どっちも特に内容がない様だ

160 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 01:04:28.70 ID:aW3ccgff.net

あ、まだスレチ爺暴れてる？
NG叩き込んでるから何書いてるか知らないし興味ないけどがんばるね

161 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:24:22.96 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

>>155
意外と限界値が来た時にプレイヤーって現状維持に執着するか冒険するかの
心理状態になるんだよね
修造はチキンっぽいから現状維持に走った感じもあるんだよ
まあ、プロである以上ビジネスだし当然なんだけどさ
日本のトップをキープしながら日本でテニスのビジネス展開できるわけだから
けっきょく一生修造を倒した、越えた日本人は現役で現れなかった
錦織がここまで来ても、もし修造がいたら修造のほうが強いって言えちゃう立場だからさ

162 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:25:34.10 ID:y96Aw0Xm.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

163 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:26:41.88 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

マイケルチャンなんて晩年完全にビジネステニスになってただろ
芝の試合捨てて土の賞金高いトーナメントにエントリーしてたからな
さすが中国人

164 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:29:33.75 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

アガシくらいになればナイキからのスポンサー契約で
冒険できたわけだけどさ
人気も必要なんだよ
芝のコートに真っ白のウエアーで出ただけでも全世界驚かせるくらいの
人気ｐっぷりだったからな

アガシが白のウエアーだぜ！！！！！！みたいな国内でもニュースで
毎回流れてたな　世界中大騒ぎｗｗ

165 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:32:04.53 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

おれの知り合いがナイキ勤めてたけど、競技関係なく有名選手
が来たウエアーほしさに初日で完売らしいよ
いまだにそうなんだろうな

166 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:32:26.17 ID:y96Aw0Xm.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

167 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:39:37.83 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

まあ、こんなこと書いてるけどテニス１０ねん以上やってもいないし
見てもいないんだけどなｗ
原点野球だから野球のがおもろいな
高校大学だけ実際は高校３年間だけ気が狂ったようにやっただけだなｗ
基地外だったな

168 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 08:45:17.89 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

１０年以上ラケット握ってないし

語るの辞めるわｗ

さようなら

169 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 09:36:39.67 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

まあラストあれだわ
錦織が引退したあとジュニア育成どれだけやるかだわ。
団体競技じゃないから野球・サッカーのように芋ずる式に海外オファー
くるってわけにいかんからな　ポジション９個も１１個も用意されてる
訳じゃないから

卓球の愛ちゃん・フィギュアーの真央ちゃん並みに育成力入れられるか

語りやめるわ　

170 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 11:01:13.38 ID:1mBDInq2.net

愛はシナ人になるし

真央はキムヨナに無残に敗北するし


ニシコリだけが頼みです

171 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 11:14:52.47 ID:vzUR+UpY.net

>>170
スレチにも程がある

172 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 19:22:29.43 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

>>170
スレチやめろって！
バックハンド真剣に語れよ！

173 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 19:28:59.88 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

>>128
両手打ちの人にとってはスライスはリカバリーだろうね
フォアイースタンの握りでバックハンドスライス？？？
それは考えられないな
想像すら出来ない
フォアのスライスなら理解できるけどね　軟式あがりもいるから
それで安定するならそれもありかもしれないけど、伸びしろ考えたら
スライス・ボレーはコンチネンタルがベストだよ　最終的には多様性求められるから

174 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 19:29:43.62 ID:cD3zyhwk.net

暇だｗ

175 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 20:55:32.14 ID:IWIOP0X3.net

１０年以上ラケット握ってないヤツがバックハンドの何を語るの？

176 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/15(日) 23:37:49.67 ID:8ZmwqgSK.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

177 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/16(月) 10:38:14.70 ID:5WpgX7SR.net

>>173
鈴木貴男はフォアイースタンくらい薄いけどね。
だからすごく後ろで打ってる。
あれくらい才能があればいろいろな感覚があるのでしょう。

両手バックの人にもナダル(は右手ですが)のように左手でイースタンに持つ人もいるから握り替えをしたくないというのもわからないではないですが，片手の人も握り替えているので難しくはないはずです。
両手バックの一番多いタイプは左手はコンチで握るので，スライスへの移行は比較的容易です。

一般人はスライスはコンチがいいのはボレーと感覚が同じになるから絶対必要。
特に距離感が重要なショットだし，ボレーやハーフボレーの練習と切り分ける理由がないと思う。
テニスって，下手に複雑なことをやるよりもシンプルに確率良くやったほうが強い。

178 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/16(月) 10:45:33.58 ID:CchjIjxU.net

ナダルの低弾道の山鳴りスライスが打ちたい

179 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/16(月) 10:55:26.17 ID:EotP1/Jg.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

180 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/16(月) 18:30:11.11 ID:B2uuvi2V.net

チンカスの書き込み
http://hissi.org/read.php/tennis/20170116/RW90UDEvSmc.html

181 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/16(月) 18:33:13.11 ID:EotP1/Jg.net

oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

182 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 00:20:47.39 ID:Udf2Sxid.net

>>180
オチ無しかよ

183 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 07:45:55.79 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

>>177
鈴木貴男のテニスみたことないけど、それは嘘だろ？
フォアイースタンでバックハンドスライスうってる選手なんてみたことないぞ
ちなみに厚いでしょ。
それって握り替えに失敗したときの応急処置的な反応としてフォアイースタンに
なっただけの話じゃない？
コンチネンタル以外でスライス・ボレーなんて多様性に欠けてショットが
限られるよ。それたまたま握り替えが遅れただけの応急処置

184 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 07:51:27.01 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

うん。だからそれが鈴木の才能じゃなくて弱点だったんだよ
だから両手打ちなら錦織越えてたかもよって話なの
フォアイースタンで打たなければならなかった状況を作ったわけね
スピンでいくかスライスでいくか迷って、握り替えに遅れてフォアーイースタンの
スライスになった話だと思う
それは才能ともいうけど、逆に言えば下手なんだよ
両手ならそんなイメージすら考えないわけ
鈴木貴男の身体能力は相当なものだと思う。躍動感あるしサービス時の
キック力は錦織越えてる。身体能力が錦織越えてた
失敗なのはチビが片手やったこと。それがフォアイースタンでスライス打つって
ミスが証明してるってこと。

185 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 07:58:11.55 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

両手バックと片手バックの人のスライスの意味は根本的に違うんだよ
ナダルのスライスは凌ぎのみ　握りなんて関係ない
鈴木は完璧じゃなきゃならないと思うよ　フォアイースタンで打ったのは
痛恨のミスショットだと思う。
それと同時に修造はスライスを多用してアプローチ仕掛けてた　しかも上手い
だから片手に変えたらもっと面白かったと思うよ
４大大会取れるくらいの能力あったし

186 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 08:09:18.67 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

運動能力
鈴木＞錦織＞修造
身体能力（身長・体格）
修造＞錦織＞鈴木
実績
錦織＞修造＞＞鈴木
こんな感じじゃない？W

187 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 08:13:44.00 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

野球にたとえれば
修造なら１６０キロ近い剛速球投げられるが変化球ないまいちな中継ぎピッチャー
鈴木なら盗塁王とれるくらいの走塁・守備固めのベンチ要員
錦織ならコンスタントに３割打てるレギュラー確定の有能内野手

188 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 08:16:42.05 ID:g8F1JK6g.net

フォアイースタンのスライスはそんな難しくない。
コンチで思いっきりコックして打つのを、コックを其れ程しなくてもしたような感じ。

けど打点は後ろになる。
だから食い込まれた時には有効。

両手バックでも、リターンなど早く判断しないといけない時は利き手はフォアイースタン気味で打つ時あるでしょ

189 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 08:18:18.07 ID:+yZyvDKb.net

本日もN爺セット完了

190 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 08:35:33.56 ID:D1e6uthT.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
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191 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 08:45:51.67 ID:5CPCbKU5.net

>>183
鈴木貴男本人が自分のビデオで「自分は」コンチよりもうちょっと薄く握るって明言してるし。

192 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 09:28:02.82 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

フェデラー戦ちょっと見たけど、初期の頃の鈴木と全然戦い方違ってるね
たしかにコンチネンタルじゃないわ
スライスロブも特殊なサイドスピンかけながらとか、かなり昔の印象と違うわ
丁寧すぎるくらい丁寧なテニスになってる

193 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 09:31:52.12 ID:FpMM7VqH.net

鈴木貴男こんなテニスじゃなかったなぁｗｗｗ
おれ古すぎるわ
書きこみやめますｗｗｗ

194 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 09:37:11.92 ID:AVB7ffsL.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
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195 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 11:34:31.02 ID:SJXEpweH.net

ナダルの低弾道の山鳴りスライスが打ちたい

でも、ナダルって、シャーって、クロスへ低く這っていくスライスも打てるんだよね

196 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 12:31:17.50 ID:nMjQk9Jh.net

低弾道の山鳴りスライス
低弾道の山鳴りスライス
低弾道の山鳴りスライス

197 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/17(火) 22:21:07.41 ID:EZ5pjSL2.net

>>195
アエロにブラスト張ったら、だいたいあんな感じのスライスになるぞ！

198 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/18(水) 00:26:31.39 ID:YgzhVhmJ.net

アエロにブラスト張ったら、フォアはだいたいあんな感じのムーンボールになるぞ！

199 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/18(水) 13:29:01.37 ID:PZqDSPyC.net

アエロにブラスト張って、
フラット気味のフォアを打つと、
プチムーンで、ネットを超えて、短めに沈むから
オムニじゃ、グンバツに効くね〜
(クレーやハードだと、めっさチャンボになっちゃうけどさ)

200 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/18(水) 13:40:10.44 ID:EZs8cOaC.net

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201 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/19(木) 01:03:39.45 ID:1rUngcb8.net

私は片手バックなんですがそんな私にとってスライスって「対話」のためのショットだと思うんですよ。
なので、練習としても手出しや球出しの球よりは生きた球をラリーの中での対処として練習した方がいいと考えています。ショットに体重が乗ってるかも確認できますし。
あ、打ち方はきっちり指導した前提です。

202 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/19(木) 12:28:48.92 ID:ig909md1.net

スライスって、球出しじゃ身に付かないと思い知りましたよ、私も　フフフ

203 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/19(木) 12:30:00.17 ID:ig909md1.net

壁打ちだと、(スライスをもっとも使うであろう)ワイドに振られた時の
飛球を再現できないんですよね

204 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/19(木) 15:39:08.39 ID:LkDovNOJ.net

>>203
壁打ちならフォアでクロスに打てばバックに走って返すしかないんじゃ
まあ球威が再現できないってなら知らん
時々壁でクロス打ち練習するけどフォアバック交互に走るから疲れる

205 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/19(木) 22:34:37.58 ID:ig909md1.net

壁打ちクロスで造る人工的バックハンド側へのショットと

本来の生身フォア逆クロスって、質が違うので、なんかイマイチっく

206 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/19(木) 23:10:32.52 ID:E8ugMGM0.net

生きた球へのスライスって
背中越しにから僅かなに見える弾道に
対してスライスすらから
壁打ちじゃあ違うよね

207 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/20(金) 00:26:31.24 ID:uUhplQfM.net

死んだ球をネットスレスレに飛ばすとなると面の角度は結構な上向きになるが
サーブとかゴリゴリの球を実際にその角度で打つと浮きまくっちゃうんだよね
タッチを鍛える意味では良いけど違いを意識しないと良くないだろうね

208 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/20(金) 08:51:33.63 ID:TcXHDt13.net

でも、稀にスーパースライスがかかった魔球に化ける時もある。

209 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/20(金) 09:25:22.71 ID:tQxTlJwe.net

両手打ち片手打ちとは言うけれど両手打ちの選手は
スライスのときは片手打ちも使うわけで両方打てるのがベスト

210 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/21(土) 19:14:29.58 ID:raYc0nMm.net

鈴木ｖｓフェデラーって鈴木が３０歳くらいの時かな？
２０歳前後の躍動感ある攻撃テニスとは全く違ってた
典型的な変則的オッサンテニスの極み系にフェデラーが付き合ってる感じ
遊んでる？そんな展開だね
でも、このスタイルこそが片手バックハンドの未来形かも知れんね
サーブアンドボレー型の極オッサンテニスでいくか
ベースライン型の極オッサンテニスでいくか
いずれにしても片手の未来形だわ　でも現代テニスの人は初対面で
この手の極オッサンテニスとやるとミス連発するでしょ？

211 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/21(土) 19:21:51.21 ID:raYc0nMm.net

スーパースライス（攻撃的スライス）はやっぱりコンチネンタルから
のが生まれやすいとは思うね。
鈴木みたいにコンチより薄いグリップだと特殊系だと思うけど
やっぱりコンチのがバリエーションは増えるとは思うけどね

212 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/22(日) 08:22:57.07 ID:FcuHJDL2.net

>>211
名選手と言われる人たちはみんなスライスうまいもんなぁ
コンチネンタルグリップでなおかつ握ってるか握ってないか
くらい軽く持って打つときだけ絞る感じが良いんだよねぇ

213 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/22(日) 08:32:01.24 ID:qxEC1qtv.net

フェデラー

2003サンプラス引退「残念だ彼の分までテニス界を引っ張っていくよ」
2006アガシ引退「残念だ彼の分までテニス界を引っ張っていくよ」
2011ロディック引退「残念だ彼の分までテニス界を引っ張っていくよ」
2018ナダル引退「残念だ彼の分までテニス界を引っ張っていくよ」
2020ジョコビッチ引退「残念だ彼の分までテニス界を引っ張っていくよ」
2022錦織引退 「残念だ彼の分までテニス界を引っ張っていくよ」

214 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/22(日) 21:24:35.73 ID:ABhFTnaK.net

錦織戦のフェデラーみたいな、
バック側の浅めのスライスでも錦織に有効なんだな。

錦織がバックのクロス打てば
フェデラーはストレートにスライスするし
甘くてセンターに行けばフォアクロスでウイナー

詰め将棋みたいなテニスには
スライスが必須だとおもた

215 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 02:45:33.44 ID:DaqUWdLS.net

前の書き込ませて貰ったときに私はスライスは相手との「対話」の為のショットと書きましたが、それでわかりにくい方は相手からの「譲歩」というチャンスボールやミスを引き出す手段だと考えたらと思いました。

216 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 11:03:32.36 ID:ZTlP27JG.net

たしかに短めのスライスが効果でてるね　対両手打ちに対して
ただ、錦織も相当スライスうまいね　
マイケルチャンなんてこんなスライス打てなかったし色んなコーチが付いてるのかな？
才能だな
　
対話のスライスから譲歩のスライス技術まで向上させれば凄いわ

217 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 11:10:42.13 ID:ZTlP27JG.net

両手打ちで錦織ほどスライスうまい選手なんているの？
むかしのアガシ・チャン・クーリエなんて下手くそもいいほどだった


鈴木はトッププレイヤーと対戦が増えてあの握りのスライスに変化したんだろうね
俺らみたいなカスとやってるときはコンチだったよｗｗ

218 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 11:54:30.43 ID:DJOcqQrH.net

マレーもクソうまいだろ

219 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 12:14:17.77 ID:3JsnWqaL.net

フェデラーが錦織戦で打ってた
バックハンドのショッートクロスは
速度速いのになんでコート内におさまるの？

アレイコートの外でしか取れないコースだった

220 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 18:47:08.52 ID:PVILX6Tu.net

速くはない

221 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/23(月) 22:17:44.63 ID:cDgInB3u.net

>>219　フェデラーのスライスで、もっとも謎と言われている。
　　　　ブーンって感じで、ネットすれすれにショートクロスに突き刺さるやつ

色々と解析分析しているサイトを読み漁ったが、共通結論は
飛球をライジングぎみに捉え、手首のスナップだけで、瞬間的に
すっごい回転を掛けているというものだった。

あれをコンスタントにトップスピンで打ち返せたのは、アガシとサフィンだけ。

222 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 09:44:22.55 ID:ybZx/D15.net

１セット目はフェデラーのクロススライスを難なく返していたコリだったけど
セットが進むにつれ、ストレートスライスに好いように翻弄されまくったね。

223 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 10:48:16.72 ID:oslazYZf.net

なるほど
スライスマスターだとフルセット持久戦になると強さ発揮するんかな。
錦織も体力に限りみえてきてるか。両手は持久力必要だしな

224 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 11:01:10.07 ID:oslazYZf.net

>>219
理論的には高い打点で運動連鎖がしっかりなされてって話だろうけど・・
フェデラーはリストが強靭で使い方が凄いね
深いボールにしてもライジングでリストだけでしっかりコントロールされてるし
さすがトッププロ

225 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 11:04:35.84 ID:oslazYZf.net

左手の使い方がうまいんかな？
開き抑えたり強弱つけてコントロールしてる
左手の使い方も大事だな

226 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 11:08:50.09 ID:ARN+qxda.net

テニスってスライスだけの方が
強いラリープレイヤーになれそう。

227 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 11:15:06.56 ID:oslazYZf.net

いや、フェデラーのショートクロスはドライブでしょ
てか基本フェデラーはスピン系がうまいっしょ
スライスだけでは駄目だわ

228 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 11:17:34.41 ID:oslazYZf.net

後半戦はスライスが効果的だったって話でしょ
錦織も膝しっかりまげて対応するタイプだから持久力なくなってから
のミスが増えたな

229 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 11:37:45.09 ID:ARN+qxda.net

サービスボックスギリギリに収まる浅さの跳ねない
スライスを相手のバック側に打てば
その返球は甘くなるかな？

230 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 14:24:01.30 ID:oslazYZf.net

>>229
ドロップに近いねｗ？まあ跳ねない短めのスライス決まれば
相手のショットは限られた所にしか打てないでしょ。ストレートに持ってくるか
角度付けてくるか、そのまま相手は前に出ざる負えないから
その後の展開をイメージするしかないんじゃない？

231 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/24(火) 22:47:14.55 ID:ybZx/D15.net

あのフェデスライスには、ヒューイットですら翻弄されていた
前半だけでも返せていたコリは凄いよ

232 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/25(水) 10:55:52.81 ID:8GxCFZ12.net

ラオニッチのスライスは、そこまでキレがあるようには思えないが、
ただ深〜いのは分かる。

233 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/25(水) 11:47:45.36 ID:Q+bavwc2.net

ここ最近の大会で勝ち上がりの多い英国のエバンス
スライスで凌ぐ場面が多いが試合巧者タイプなのか？いまいち強さが解らないんだよね。

234 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/25(水) 12:00:31.66 ID:SbmlPxQI.net

>>233
コートカバー力が高くて、意外とタフ
上位が省エネでやろうとするも、粘られて負けてるパターンが多い

235 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/25(水) 20:09:15.77 ID:iGqsRq2W.net

全豪男子ベスト４のうち片手バック使いが３人もいるなんて……
極限を目指してやっているプロと違って、
一般プレーヤーの我々なら、
両手片手のメリットデメリットなんて
より小さいものだろうから、
正直好みとプレースタイルで選んでいい感じなんだろうね

236 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/25(水) 23:02:32.82 ID:+sQLWw4h.net

>>235
ただ片手バック3人といっても、この3人のバックハンド
戦略もフォームもグリップも全部違うぞ

ついでにスライスのフォームも使い方も違う

デュミトロフもフェデラーと全く違う独自性のある新しい戦術をとるようになって良かった

237 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/25(水) 23:36:39.26 ID:6yzD12i/.net

>>236
それがまたいいんじゃん
片手バックでも色んなやり方があるんだなって参考になっていいわ

238 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/26(木) 11:27:16.62 ID:DfLWB4Ik.net

シングルBH復活の兆し！

239 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/27(金) 10:32:25.33 ID:0fnvaZMJ.net

ナダルVSデミトロフ

ナダルがシングルBHに慣れきって、決勝に臨みそうだわい。

240 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/29(日) 13:25:31.40 ID:cTzmagwu.net

フェデラーのBHストレートに対して、フォアに回り込むナダル

この時のナダルの横滑りが、まさに神速〜

241 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/29(日) 13:34:12.05 ID:dFH1f50F.net

10年前はな

242 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/29(日) 19:44:34.71 ID:hf7qNCXI.net

>>240
フェデラーのバックのDTLが貧弱だったんだが・・・・・・・

今年はどうなるんだろう？
ナダルのフォアが落ちてるし、フェデラーのバックのDTLが良くなってる

243 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/29(日) 20:21:23.96 ID:cTzmagwu.net

バモスピン(4480rpm )は、片手バックでは制御できないィィィィィ

244 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/29(日) 20:33:06.13 ID:hf7qNCXI.net

うわ！
ナダルのフォアのDTLえぐい

245 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 09:29:37.93 ID:OU5kUEI7.net

レフティ・ナダルのストレートスライスって、効いてるよね

もっと多用すればいいのに

246 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 10:31:32.76 ID:QD7zgYHW.net

さすがに専門スレではフェデラーのバックが
弱いとか馬鹿なこと言う人いなくて安心したわ

247 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 12:56:17.47 ID:PC8uuvKQ.net

今回の復帰はバックハンドを研ぎ直してきたのが功を奏したと思うわ。
近年は回転多目の繋ぎ重視だった上にスライス多用で相手の脅威にはならんかった。
ちなフェデラーも執拗にナダルのバック責め、やり返しててワロｗ

248 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 20:52:58.05 ID:bGxF9gNP.net

ナダル相手にバックでバカバカウィナー取ってたよな今回

249 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 21:35:29.42 ID:OU5kUEI7.net

ナダル攻略法を見出したね、フェデラー

でも、ナダルも次は工夫してくるだろうよ

250 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 22:22:21.58 ID:QD7zgYHW.net

フェデラーのバックは昔から対して変わってないのに変わったとかいう
幻想を持ってる人はどういう病気なの？？？

251 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 22:27:22.88 ID:QD7zgYHW.net

バックが弱いというのはあくまでもフェデラーの持ってる技術の中で
しいていえばバックが一番弱いかなぁというレベルほんとテレビに流される
アホなニワカしかいない・・・

252 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 22:35:43.64 ID:tR/qnDko.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

253 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 22:57:21.93 ID:FUzhkb7o.net

ナダルとのフォアの打ち合いで勝ってる場面多々あった

254 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 22:58:03.27 ID:FUzhkb7o.net

ﾅﾀﾞﾙのﾌｫｱvsﾌｪﾃﾞﾊﾞｯｸね、ねんのため

255 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:15:11.55 ID:LNlZvjCz.net

ハードのGSだとナダルに初勝利だよ
いつもバック責めで宇宙開発ってのがパターン
（最後は2014年らしいけど）

まあナダルに勝てるんだったら、バック弱いとかは言われないだろう
今回の全豪は以前のような無茶なライジング打ちは選択しなくなった

デュミトロフもかなり良かった
映像で見る限り、今までのディミトロフの中で一番バックが良かった

あと、ナダルのアドサイドからの外に逃げていくサーブ
ナダルが調子悪かったのかどうかしらんけど、対処できてた

256 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:17:31.03 ID:tR/qnDko.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

257 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:18:30.48 ID:LNlZvjCz.net

フェデラーのバックハンドがまた少し変わったとは思うが、
それより準クロスのフォアの打ち方が変わってた

休みが長かったので、その間にいろいろ開発したのだろう

258 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:25:18.78 ID:LNlZvjCz.net

なにはともあれ、片手バックハンド勢が健闘して良かった大会だった
やっぱ面白い




あと、マレーいないほうが大会盛り上がるわ

259 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:32:21.84 ID:tR/qnDko.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

260 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:32:56.98 ID:e8m57Zpv.net

フェデラーのバック、昨日はシャンクなかったな。以前のナダルだと1試合で数回はシャンクしてた気がするけど。

261 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/30(月) 23:40:11.60 ID:tR/qnDko.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

262 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 00:17:10.65 ID:JMxtBb/r.net

10年前の2007年全豪もフェデラー、ハース、ゴンザレスとベスト4のうち3人が片手バックだったね

263 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 00:51:38.68 ID:B68mzVuY.net

>>258
マレー「いいさ。俺はもうすぐニンテンドースイッチをやれるから」

264 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 05:04:19.40 ID:S9kS0YIK.net

ここの年齢層とファン層考えると否定されそうだけど
ナダルのバックスライスの使い方はプロでも1番上手いと思う技術的には片手勢には及ばないけどサイドスピンで横に逃げる左利き特有のやつとフワッと高い所浮いてバウンドした後止まる時間稼ぎのスライスを適所で使いこなしてる

265 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 06:20:34.55 ID:H/sgt425.net

>>264
守備的な自分のスタイルに合わせてるって意味では本当に上手い使い方だと思うよ
ナダル自身がスライスを使える様になってハードコートでも戦える様になったって言ってるぐらいだし
あくまで、ナダルだからこそあのくらいのスライスでも十分ってだけだけどね

266 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 08:31:38.44 ID:8CbzIjz7.net

s Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

267 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 10:58:57.67 ID:MwRfyk1h.net

強めのスライス返球に対して、ボレーに出たプロが
ときどきしくじってるのをみて安心した


スライス回転が強烈にかかってる飛球って、通常のボレーでは対処できないから
悩み中。

強めに合わせるべきなのか、それとも面の角度をより垂直に当てるのか・・・うーむ

268 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 12:32:18.06 ID:tNY1j3yG.net

地味だけどジョコビッチがフォアでもバックでもたまになる
バックスピンをかけてベースラインギリギリに落とすショットが
一番難しいと思うわ

269 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 21:20:22.68 ID:3zqpAtcE.net

>>264
ナダルの場合、スライスはストレートに打たないといけないので、あんな感じになる
あれに近い打ち方をするのはディミトロフ
普通はDTLにスライス打つ練習なんかしない

なおナダルはコンチではないはず

270 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 21:27:06.96 ID:2gBg5YXH.net

>>269
ストレートに打たないといけない理由は左利きだからクロスに打つと相手のフォアに向かうからってことで合ってる？

271 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 21:58:53.67 ID:5PAogE70.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

272 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 22:01:49.80 ID:MwRfyk1h.net

>>270 意外と、ナダルのクロススライスも効くんだ
ラオニッチが獲りづらそうにしていた

273 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 22:07:59.65 ID:3zqpAtcE.net

>>270
合ってるよ

リバースフォアは特に低いボールに強い

274 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 22:10:54.24 ID:5PAogE70.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

275 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/01/31(火) 23:53:36.53 ID:6u0IgwYD.net

>>267
なぜスライスに対してより面を立てて当てようと考えるんだ？
バックスピンがかかってきたボールがこちらのラケット面に当たれば下に飛ぼうとするのが理解も想像もできないのかと呆れるわ
頭で考えるなら通常より寝かせて当てるのが妥当だろ

276 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 08:17:18.82 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

理論で考えるのはもちろん重要だけどね。
ただ相手のトップスピン・スライスの回転量（サイドスピンもかかってったり）
が毎回違う訳だから計算上でスピンの回転量に合わせてこちら側の面の角度を
創るのは余りにも難易度が高い。もちろん計算すれば角度が何度ってベストな数字
が出るのだろうけど・・・・名前忘れたけどゴルフは静止運動　野球のバッテイングは
なんたら運動　テニスはなんとかって
止まってるボールを打つ（ゴルフ）自分は止まってて球は動く（バッテイング）
自分も動く球も動く（テニス）この辺の違いも研究しないとならんね

277 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 08:21:18.81 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

そこで理論は度外視して、無意識に吸収しやすい練習方法がボレーって話になる
ボレーボレーなんかもスライス感覚を無意識に身に着けることが出来る
球出しやサービスラインからのローボレーの練習なんかも感覚として捉えやすい
もちろん軸足を両方で練習することや動きながらとか研究しながら練習しないと
向上しないわけだが・・

278 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 08:42:02.28 ID:cM3hoV32.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
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279 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 09:57:06.97 ID:o9jaEeb+.net

ナダルの中途半端なストレートスライス

これをバックで打たされる相手はたまったもんじゃない

280 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 16:20:55.58 ID:gDy27rHf.net

>>267
ボレーって感覚的に二種類あって
弾くボレーとしっかり掴んでから運ぶボレーがある
スライス打たれた時はしっかり掴んで深くコントロールするだけでいいと思う
よっぽど浮いたか自分が前にいたら叩いてもいいと思うけど

281 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 19:30:26.62 ID:o9jaEeb+.net

なんとなく理解はできますが、
スライス球を通常のボレーで合わせようとすると、ガシャりますです
やっぱ、厚く捉えないとだけですかね？

282 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 19:33:50.65 ID:o9jaEeb+.net

もう少し詳述すると、
相手のスピン玉に対する通常のボレー(少しスライス回転を意識した深めボレー)を、
相手のスライス球に使うと、ガシャるんですよ。

283 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 19:58:23.24 ID:cM3hoV32.net

Today is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

284 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 20:43:53.96 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

>>282
ボレーっていうよりもボレー感覚ね
たしかに＞＞２８０の理論が正しいと思うけど・・・
表現としては点で捕えるとか線で捕えるって言葉が理解しやすいかな？

285 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 20:46:32.84 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

ガシャルってことは点で捕えようとし過ぎてる証拠だからボレー感覚は捨てた
ほうがいいかもしれない。
＞＞２８０のいってるような運ぶ感覚（線で捕える）を意識したほうが良さげですね

286 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 20:58:49.97 ID:jdWrHYWs.net

運ぶボレーって、
振ってるボレーになるのかな？

287 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:02:32.10 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

もう一つ付け加えるとガシャルって事はスライスでストローク出来る
レベルに到達してないと思うんだよね
だからボレーから始めた方が感覚としてアンダースピンってスキルを習得しやすい
と思ったわけですよ
ボレーっていっても色々あるので・・
サービスライン付近からのドライブボレーだってある（ショートバウンド）
まずはアンダースピンを習得することが先決なので色々なボレーを経験するのが
近道なのかって思いましたね

288 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:06:49.98 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

>>286
それが全く違うって事なんだと思う
その発想自体がアンダースピンの基本が全くできてない証拠だと思うんですよ
だからボレーから入ると感覚と掴みやすいんですよって思うの

289 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:08:22.14 ID:jdWrHYWs.net

よくわかんない

290 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:09:33.47 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

ボレーを点で捕えるだけでなく線で捕えたりする
ドロップボレーなんかは打球を殺す訳でしょ　ものすごく薄く充てることになる
そういったアンダースピンの感覚を身に着けることが先決じゃないかなって思う

291 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:11:40.65 ID:jdWrHYWs.net

じゃあ、ボレー時にラケット振るんだよね。

インパクト時にラケットに球が乗るように
なるわけだから、振ってるよね

292 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:15:56.75 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

>>291
振るって表現がちょっと誤解うむんだけど
インパクトからフォロースルーにかけては振るって表現でもいいかもね

293 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:17:55.52 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

ボレー時にラケット振るは違うと思うけど
ストロークのスライスに関してはインパクトからフォロースルーは振るって表現
でもいいのかなと

294 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:18:58.87 ID:jdWrHYWs.net

だよね、前に振るんだよね

弾くより、運ぶボレーだから
スイング速度は始動は遅くしないと
球が弾かれてしまうったことだよね。

295 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:21:56.26 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

>>294
それでいいと思うよ
ただ、スライスやボレーで振るって表現使うとカットに間違えられやすいから
あんまり振るって表現使わないんじゃないかな？

296 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:23:46.87 ID:jdWrHYWs.net

振る表現を変えるとラケットワークかなと思うが
ラケットワークを日本語にする言葉が見当たらないな

押すも弾くボレーっぽいし

297 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/01(水) 21:26:38.45 ID:GmlbB6PB.net

ラケットワークのがしっくりくるねｗ
振るっておばちゃんテニスのカットみたいなイメージになっちゃうから

298 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 00:37:17.67 ID:Yr1WskW4.net

トップスピン球に対するボレーのラケット角度と
スライス球に対するボレーのラケット角度って違いますか？

個人的には、前者が、／、後者が、/　かな〜と。

299 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 00:50:11.82 ID:DVKyYigg.net

そんなもん立ち位置とボールの高さと狙ってる場所によるだろ
一概に言えるわけがない。しょうもねぇこと気にする暇があったら球打っとけ

300 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 01:24:54.45 ID:aRHLHP3T.net

>>298
オートテニス場でやってる分ならその理論でいいと思うけど
ゴルフ・野球じゃないから自分も動く相手も動く球打つわけだから
１球ごとに状況変化するしね
相手もスライスで足元に沈ませて一本様子見で狙ってるのか、パッシングで一発で
決めようとしてるのかで状況まったく違うから　それは場数踏むしか
答えは出ないよ

301 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 01:27:22.93 ID:DgXP+bsZ.net

>>300
結局面の角度とかそれまでの経験で習得した角度に身体が勝手に調整して
意識的にやってるわけじゃないよな

302 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 01:33:24.31 ID:aRHLHP3T.net

無意識でしょ　意識的にやってる段階ではミス連発するでしょ

303 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 01:37:31.20 ID:aRHLHP3T.net

練習では意識的に取り組んでも
試合でそんなこと考えてる時間があるか？
コンマ何秒の世界だぜ　下手すりゃボデイー狙われるんだからさ

304 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 01:45:31.08 ID:a93TecdH.net

ボレースレ化しとる

305 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 01:51:46.37 ID:DgXP+bsZ.net

でもスライスとボレーはとっても近い位置にある技術だよな
普段スライスを打たない人で滑らかで上手いボレーを打ってるのを見た記憶がない
殆ど叩くようなボレーばかり

306 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 02:17:00.99 ID:aRHLHP3T.net

とりあえず俺の話は１５年前の一生懸命テニスやってた時の話だからねｗｗ
１０年以上ラケット握ってないしテニスも見てないからｗ最近また多少興味
沸いて勝手なこと書き込んでるだけだからｗ　

307 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 02:20:31.66 ID:aRHLHP3T.net

スライスとボレーの違いなんてフットワークの使い方だけじゃないの？
ほぼ同じだと思ってるけど　違うの？＞＞２８０のような理論はそのままだと思うけど

308 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 10:09:31.84 ID:cFsrPHot.net

よく考えたらそうだよなぁグリップも薄く持たないと
スライスもボレーもうまくできないし確かに似てるかも

309 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 11:06:06.17 ID:Yr1WskW4.net

鈴木貴男「スライスの中にボレーがある！」

310 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 13:01:09.33 ID:cOF7mJVR.net

貴男はいちいち切らんでよろしいって言ってるくらいだから、そんな事言わんでしょ

311 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 13:15:15.45 ID:0cjyewNY.net

いや言ってるよ

312 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 13:36:05.76 ID:cFsrPHot.net

>>310
手打ちで極端に切ってしまう人を注意してるだけじゃない

313 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 13:47:59.77 ID:cOF7mJVR.net

今会社で音出せないんだけど言ってる？
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2L7cRGTpoA

314 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 16:54:32.63 ID:5tWqzzTB.net

>>286
結局は振るんだけどストロークと違う部分は
絶対に打点を遅らせない事
これさえ守れればラケットの真ん中にさえ当たれば絶対打ち負けることはない
振るって言うとインパクトまで加速させるイメージがどうしても付いちゃうから好きじゃない
女子なんか特にそのイメージしかないから打点バラバラだし面も常にブレてるから打点次第で明後日の方向に飛んでいく
運んで行くっていうのはあくまでボールを前で捉えてからその後のフォロースルーのイメージの部分
インパクトまでは絶対に面は一定
それまでにゴチャゴチャすると間違いなくミスる
だから俺はスライスとボレーの感覚は結構違う
スライスは感覚的な部分が大きすぎるからこれは人それぞれだと思う
ローボレーとかハーフボレーの感覚は一緒だと思うけどね

315 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 17:10:55.54 ID:eKIwC9+f.net

バックハンドのスレは、こちらでよろしいでしょうか？

316 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 17:27:04.76 ID:WXFEwvzy.net

>>315
バックハンド総合のはずだけど、スライススレ化してる

317 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 18:07:41.80 ID:aBIE0zaF.net

>>316
それだけ大事な技術ってことでしょ
滅多にスライス打たないプロでもいざという時のスライスで
数種類をちゃんと使い分けしてるし

318 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 18:54:39.33 ID:WXFEwvzy.net

>>317
重要じゃないとは言ってないよ。
俺は、バックのストロークは８〜９割両手で打つけど、残りの一割はスライスだし。
重要な技術だと思ってる。

319 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 19:02:23.85 ID:DljSbPTR.net

>>270
その通りだと思う
俺自身が左利きだけど、守備的なスライスなんかだと
クロスにスライス打てるチャンスがほとんどないから
ひたすらストレートorサイドスピンかけて相手のバックハンド側に更に
逃げていくスライスばかり打ち続けてるもんだから
クロスに打てと言われてもストレートほど精度に自信がないくらいになってるわ

320 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 20:01:30.53 ID:SWMRyBs6.net

ナダルは片手スライスの防御力の高さももちろんすごいが、
通常の両手バックも相変わらず安定していた
ジョコ・マレー・錦織のような、
目の覚めるようなダウンザラインってのはないが、
常に一定以上の球威・回転数の球を返せ続けられるのはホントすごいわ
元々右利きだってことが有利に働いてる特殊な両手バックなのかな？
とにかく、あの速いテークバック・準備の早さは見習いたい

321 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 22:31:42.26 ID:Hsn6cZkL.net

>>319 そのスライスな　ナダルがよく使うやつ。

あれ、サウスポーが繰り出すストレートスライスって、
めっさ効くよな〜

322 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 23:05:33.83 ID:BcJCOyrZ.net

>>319
左利きの人から初めて聞いたわ！それ
スライスリターンの時どうするの？

右利きは、あたりまえだがクロスばっかし練習する
スライスリターンの時は、クロスにしか打てない

323 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 23:10:58.01 ID:xdWdRdNX.net

>>322
フォアサイドのリターンでもか？

324 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 23:12:15.72 ID:3C+ZXE9U.net

俺も左利きだが、そう言われると、クロスにスライスを打つという発想がほぼないことに今気がついたわ

325 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/02(木) 23:20:08.21 ID:BcJCOyrZ.net

>>323
逆クロスのスライスリターンとかムリゲー

ドロップぽいのとか、相手のサーブの推進力だけを使って当てて返す系ボールのならなんとか
深さとか高さとテキトー


3年くらい前から、バックスライスをストレートに打つ戦略をとっていたディミトロフは、アホの子か天才のどっちかだと思う
あいつとかドルゴとかスライスのほうが上手いからな

326 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 00:55:56.57 ID:TQbUhiQ7.net

>>322
> スライスリターンの時どうするの？

デュースコート側なら短めのストレート狙い
浮き気味でも相手が戻ってくる距離があるからなんとかなる感じ
アドコート側なら逆クロスで斜めに当ててサイドスピンかけてコート端に追い込むの狙う

これがうまくいくと相手がギリギリ追いつくことになって
そうなると右利きは大抵バックでショートクロス気味にこっちのフォア側に返してくるので、
相手が打つ前に動き始めて待ってましたとばかりに前に詰めてはたき落とす
相手からみたらウザいことこの上ないハメ技

左利きのおれはむしろクロスのスライスリターンとか
ちゃんと狙ったところへ返せる自信がほとんどないｗ

327 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 09:45:33.27 ID:kVaAs00V.net

だんだん話が高度になってきたな。
レフテイーで基本が両手打ちスピナー系で
たまに変則的なスライス打つ奴ほど嫌らしい奴はいない。

328 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 09:47:28.42 ID:kVaAs00V.net

>>326
なんかむかつくプレースタイルしそうだね
まあ、それは結構　実戦経験ある感じのテニスだわ

329 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 10:29:58.84 ID:E7/irfjX.net

左利き対策としては通常はあまり使わない逆クロスの練習を
するしかないのかな？チャンスボール以外で逆クロスを打つのは
なれないと難しいし

330 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 10:33:05.89 ID:E7/irfjX.net

もちろんバックサイドに来たボールはバックハンドなんだけど
センターに来たボールを強引に右側に切り返す必要がある

331 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 10:40:59.55 ID:VGOG0RCj.net

デユースサイドからレフティーが打ったスピンサーブを
見事に空振りしました。

右利きのスライスを想定してたら、ラケットの上を跳ねて行った。

332 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 10:50:57.48 ID:TQbUhiQ7.net

左利きってだけで、凄く有利なのがテニスだけど
左効きにとっても左利きの相手は非常にやりにくいわ
バックハンドがクロスよりもストレート、逆クロス気味が得意って
対右に特化した特性が裏目に出てしまうのが左利きにとっての左利き

333 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 10:53:53.64 ID:E7/irfjX.net

野球で言うところのクロスファイヤーボールと同じなんだよなぁ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2U1WE12pk

334 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 17:11:32.27 ID:Z0tXBYTJ.net

レフテイーサイドスローからのクロスファイヤー
変な回転かかってるし・・・・・・・・・・
まあ、慣れってのがあるからレフテイーと練習するしかないよね

335 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 19:14:17.55 ID:VGOG0RCj.net

でも、レフティーって、いないんよ
居てたとしても、なぜか♀ばかり

336 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 20:47:43.47 ID:yjzGdy93.net

>>326
テニスは左利きの話って面白い
違いを楽しめるし、左利きってよく考えてる人が多い気がするわ

337 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/03(金) 22:22:34.58 ID:Z0tXBYTJ.net

>>329
それが意外と命とりになる可能性がある。
たとえばレフテイーのサーブも正面来た場合に通常ならフォアで打つだろうが
俺の場合はバックで対処してた。
一つ上の先輩が左利きだったからそれほど嫌なイメージなかったけど
逆にバックハンドで対応するのもありかもね。
レフテイーの大部分はサービスはスライスサーブが基本だから
スピンサーブ打つ人限りなく少ないんよ

338 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 08:26:38.00 ID:E9uOMOrE.net

スライスはどんな展開で使うと効果的でした？

339 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 08:45:23.49 ID:gRZ9eNdT.net

一般人レベルだと、左でも曲がるだけヘナチョコサーブが意外と多い。
伸びる、曲がる、跳ねるに緩急混ぜるホンモノがくるとどうしようも無い。
あ、右でも一緒か・・・

340 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 11:44:48.69 ID:O903vUxA.net

はやく、低くて滑るスライスが打ちたいよ〜

相手の球が速くないと打てないのが、最近分かってきた

341 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 16:13:35.67 ID:2X4xxG04.net

ぷ

342 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 16:16:26.14 ID:8oGHS3Yq.net

修行が足らん

343 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 16:45:57.63 ID:/J9QFyWt.net

ディミみたいにSラケ使えば

344 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 20:05:40.86 ID:W3qyfIyf.net

>>286
手や腕で切って下回転を与えようとするな。
貴方に必要なのは、安定した打面の作り方と体重の乗せ方による距離調整の仕方だ。長い距離でボレー＆ボレーをしなさい。始めは一般的な物と同じでサービスボックス内から徐々に距離を広げてサービスライン同士で、最後はデッドゾーン辺りでボレー＆ボレーをすること。

345 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/04(土) 20:06:18.93 ID:W3qyfIyf.net

>>286
深いボールを打つには上半身だけじゃ無理だし、最初は高めでも構わない。コツがつかめてくればなるべく低く深い球を打つにはどのように身体を入れれば良いのかボールのどこを叩けば良いのかが理解出来てくると思う。

346 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 07:32:15.46 ID:S9mSiSRg.net

フェデラーとかが、居合抜きみたいな動きで、刃を1/3くらい抜くくらいで
ストレートスライスを、カッと打ってるよね。

347 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 08:33:07.90 ID:Bep+hmhG.net

>>346
だからボレーの延長線上にスライスあるんだよ
鈴木（スライスの中にボレーがある）
同じでしょ？
感覚を身に付けなければならないからボレーからスタートするのが楽だと思うよ
フェデラーのそれはたぶんライジングでボレー感覚で早いスライスを打ってのだろうと思う
もちろん緩いスライス（薄目で回転量の多い）も打てる必要もあるけどさ
>>338
正直にいって守りのテニスになってしまうよ。ただ両手打ちから片手に切り替えたから
スピン系が安定しない状態だったのでパッシング時しか使えなかった。スピン系をマスター
する前に辞めてしまったよ。
ただ、フォアがスピン・バックがスライスって事で緩急付けるテニスをしてるって考える
べきだったね。意識付けが必要だったかも　両手のパワーテニス中心になってたから
嫌になってしまったね　

348 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 08:36:46.07 ID:Bep+hmhG.net

>>340
いくらでもそんなスライス打てるんだよ　ただコントロールできるかが重要
サーブと同じで２００キロサーブなんて誰でも打てる　重要なのはサービスラインに収まるかどうか
テニスはホームラン競争してるわけじゃないから

349 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 08:40:26.65 ID:Bep+hmhG.net

>>313
それも結局はウオーミングアップだからその練習が大切であってゲームの中で
そんな攻防は５球も無いよ。5球以内にどっちかが仕掛ける。それを鈴木ならロブボレーを
放つでしょ。だからそのフォームだけでは最終的に行けないって事だと思う

350 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 12:42:43.33 ID:AhabcWJL.net

>>346
馬鹿じゃない？
テイクバックが低くて肘の旋回の動きが強いだけ

居合抜きなんてやったこともないし、刀も触ったことないくせに

351 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 12:47:15.88 ID:jq7tI8Yf.net

文頭から罵倒するレスは内容も読む価値なし

352 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 12:53:00.52 ID:uOUWI7ms.net

このスレでは
片手がもてはやされてるけど
両手の極め方ってどんなショットなの？

強打なら片手のほうが上に感じるけど。

353 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 14:15:24.92 ID:FOszPwkS.net

>>352
シコラータイプかバコラータイプかで違う
日本はオムニコートのせいもあって、シコラーが成功しやすい
スピン料の多い、高く弾むボールをクロスに打ち続けるのが第一歩

354 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 14:17:47.41 ID:FOszPwkS.net

>>351
文末罵倒よりマシだと思うが･･････
読んで損するタイプより、先に結論が書いてある方が親切だよ

355 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 15:13:23.19 ID:gbivo7SG.net

>>351
わかりますｗ例として出してるだけなのに
馬鹿呼ばわりそのくせ自分は何一つ人の役に
立つような意見は言ってない。ほんとゴミ

356 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 16:25:26.78 ID:uOUWI7ms.net

>>353
両手バックって錦織みたいな
フラット系が多い気がするけど
オムニコートだと、
スピン多めの方が有効か、、、

357 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 16:41:58.61 ID:yXJDeatX.net

オムニではスピン系よりもフラット系の方が強くないか？

358 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 17:19:36.16 ID:Rq2/nF6U.net

>>357
跳ね方次第かな
跳ね上がってくる球にフラット系は強いと思うが
跳ね上がらない球にフラットはそれなり

359 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 18:32:30.11 ID:V1jQso7R.net

フェデラーみたいに強ければ、片手で間に合う。
片手で強い打球が打てないから仕方なく両手で打つ。
両手の方が威力あり。

360 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 19:43:03.77 ID:FOszPwkS.net

>>355
例え話がゴミだったんだよたぶん

361 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 19:47:21.18 ID:FOszPwkS.net

>>357
ハードならフラットつーか、ライジング打ち
オムニコートはポイント長いんだよ
ムリしてエース狙いに行くより、嫌がらせを長く続けるほうが強い

362 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 20:44:55.11 ID:ZBxFY3g9.net

オムニや土は若干イレギュラーするからライジングがミスりやすい
ハードやカーペットに強い伊達・錦織にはオムニは適して無いと思うよ。
伊達・錦織なんかは相手のフォームや軌道を読んでイメージで打つタイプだし
オムニや土はイレバンも考慮して打たないとならんから

363 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 22:40:10.17 ID:Rq2/nF6U.net

オムニにイレギュラーはない
プロがオムニで試合せんでしょ

364 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 22:49:37.49 ID:vGk2EQ3w.net

>>363
砂が多いとこは偏ってイレギュラーするよ

365 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 22:52:59.72 ID:Rq2/nF6U.net

>>364
トンボで
キッチリと整備しなさい

366 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/05(日) 23:32:25.49 ID:vGk2EQ3w.net

>>365
数回ラリーしただけでも砂が寄るからその都度整備なんてしてられないぞ
砂多い人工芝でテニスしたこと無いのかもしれんが

367 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 04:12:56.81 ID:kLFSX7mH.net

オムニは基本的にイレギュラーするでしょ？
調べたけど今はテニスクラブなんかでもあって砂の量が少ないのが主流なのかな？
むかしのオムニなんて砂の量が半端なかったからほぼ土のコートに近い感じだったよ

368 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 04:14:53.11 ID:kLFSX7mH.net

イレギュラーっても若干のレベルだけどね
ただその若干がレベルやプレースタイルで結構影響受ける
あとラインがつるつるじゃなかったかな？おれ古い？
だから砂の量がラインに沿って多いコートが昔は多かったよ

369 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 05:54:17.66 ID:HtNjbzI7.net

イレギュラーって言っても、変な方向に跳ねるんじゃなく、跳ねる場所と跳ねない場所があるって意味だな。
ツアーの公式戦で採用されないのも、それが理由だと聞いたことがある。
公営のコートはしかたないけど、ジュニアを育成しようとしてるテニスクラブは、ハードも残すようにしてるみたいね。

370 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 08:59:08.46 ID:JDsKuXfr.net

>>366
うちの近所の人工芝のコートは砂が少なくてあぶないから
砂をかなり増量したよ。クレーコートみたいな感覚になるねｗ

371 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 10:43:34.69 ID:uhQPctLg.net

フェデラーの居合抜き1/3のストレートスライスを打ちたい！

砂たっぷりオムニだと、スライスが滑るのでやりやすいし、やりにくい

372 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 18:37:48.34 ID:DvrlqgOO.net

滑らねーよ

373 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 21:19:04.14 ID:kLFSX7mH.net

>>371
そのフェデラーのショットってドライブと見せかけて急遽スライスダウンザライン
に変えたんじゃないの？居合抜きなんてあんのか？

374 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/06(月) 21:22:36.83 ID:kLFSX7mH.net

>>352
片手のが安定するなら片手追究したほうがいいよ

375 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 00:11:29.69 ID:Ifrb9qUn.net

>>373
あるわけねーよ！
スライスの打ち方でフラット気味に打つことはあるけど、確率悪い
フェデラーあれやるとき必ず大外からのクロスだしね

376 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 00:17:06.13 ID:aR12JLiK.net

オムニこそ、スライスが生きるコートである　

377 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 05:36:42.78 ID:zB1AD0QH.net

跳ねないからな

378 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 07:06:13.21 ID:35QQSk4b.net

オムニ・土は若干イレバンしてくれるからスライス有効だよ
砂の量の多いところや少ないところで滑り方が変化してくれるから
ハードは厳しいね　スライスベースのテニスしてたら終わりだわ

379 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 07:12:52.43 ID:35QQSk4b.net

>>375
居合抜きショットなんてやっぱりないか
錦織がハードヒットしますよって見せかけてドロップ放つのと同じよう
な感じでしょ？そのフェデラーのスライス　ダウンザラインって

380 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 10:52:37.22 ID:aR12JLiK.net

オムニのダブルスなんて、サーブ、リターン、ストローク、
全てがスライス重視

381 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 11:11:26.63 ID:35QQSk4b.net

>>380
おまえプロスピa板からきてないか？

382 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 14:35:39.48 ID:FCWHm7uM.net

７種類のスピン？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM64Ny9CDI

383 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 16:21:23.38 ID:35QQSk4b.net

>>382
リストの使い方が柔らかくてうまいですね
それみると俺のリストの不器用さを痛感する　おれ古いわ

384 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 16:23:23.96 ID:35QQSk4b.net

バックハンドでそのくらい上手いリストワークしてる動画ないですか？？

385 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/07(火) 19:47:40.83 ID:8By13+hq.net

リストワークは慣れたフォアでまず定着させてからの方がいいぞ。
あと、バックでやる場合フォアよりさらにインパクトの瞬間に腕全体を止めるイメージでやるとパンチが出る。手首は緩めてるのでヘッドが勝手に加速する。

386 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 00:00:13.39 ID:Y5SAQokB.net

両手バックは高い打点も強打できるのが利点だけど、実際高い打点でスパーンって打てるのは少ない件。社会人テニスだと。（学生からやってる人を除く）

387 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 00:12:55.28 ID:YUc/nZXu.net

もっと両手バックの良さと、
良いショット打つコツを教えてください

片手なんてプロ向けなんだし
一般プレイヤーは両手でしょ

388 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 00:21:16.85 ID:n5V/qCWJ.net

>>387
オレ片手だけど両手の方がプロ向きに感じるけどな
実際プロは両手が多いでしょ？
体重移動をしっかり支える脚力やキツくてもしっかり体勢を支える体幹を持ち合わせて
適切な身体の使い方をしっかり体得してる人こそ両手が打てると思ってる

389 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 00:35:25.87 ID:FynXE/5z.net

両手はシングル向け
あと量産型が生まれやすい

片手は登山とかトライアスロンとかマゾっぽい面倒な事が好きな人向け
どう考えても両手より修行に時間がかかる

390 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 00:41:24.93 ID:n5V/qCWJ.net

>>389
そうかな
面倒くさがりの楽したがり向けだと思うけど？
オレも一度両手にチャレンジしたけど「こんな大変ならいいや」ってなったし
片手は最初から違和感なく打てたから両手の方がよっぽど難しい印象

391 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 00:52:47.99 ID:8eVIwr8y.net

初中級までは簡単にいけるのが片手、中上級に最速で達しやすいのが両手、上級レベルまで極めるのが非常に大変なのが片手という印象

392 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 01:05:11.04 ID:n5V/qCWJ.net

>>391
そんなとこだろね
片手で行く場合伸びしろがどれくらいかを見るのは
強打にも負けない抑えの効いた球がどの段階で打てたかだと思う
それが出来てから片手の本格的な習得だし

393 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 01:07:47.46 ID:FynXE/5z.net

>>390
純粋な動きだけなら両手より片手のほうが楽
ユニットターンを使うようになると、両手のほうがシンプルになるけどね
まあ向いてる方をセレクトすればいい

俺的には両手はフォロースルーがつまらない
テイクバックも寝せるか立てるかしか選べない
とにかくスイングに関わる制限が多い
ボール2個分くらいだけリーチが短くなるのもいやだ
とくに低いボール

394 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 01:27:44.63 ID:YUc/nZXu.net

右利き両手で左足飛ばして打つ場面や
しっかり構えられる状態で強打する両手と、
カウンターでダウンザライン狙う両手って
全然身体の使い方が違うから
片手より奥深いけど、一般プレイヤーでも
習得出来ると思うんだよね

片手のショットは上半身筋力があってこそ
ブレないショットになると思う

395 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 06:05:19.06 ID:AYVzeS0Z.net

両手の一番のメリットはリターンが叩けることかな
ストロークも安定してフラットドライブで叩きやすい
スピンロブも上げやすいし

一方、弱点は低くて短いボール
個人的には、これからテニスを始める人に勧めるなら、片手スライスを混ぜれば、片手より両手だと思ってる。
ま、年齢にもよるけどね。
高齢ほど片手を勧める

396 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 06:40:34.36 ID:sKpca7bi.net

スライスオンリーにしたいぐらいだけどそうはいかんから
スライスは片手それ以外は両手にすれば良さそうだよな

397 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 06:43:58.66 ID:AYVzeS0Z.net

>>396
スライスオンリーはありだと思うし、実際いる
俺は両手でバックは得意なつもりだけど、スライスの上手い人はホント嫌

398 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 08:22:03.67 ID:Vg0Uj7yd.net

>>382
このビデオの人のような柔らかいリストで片手バックハンド出来れば問題ないよ
まあ、フォアはやってればこの程度にはなるけどね
この選手が走らされた状態でこのショットが使い分けられるかが重要
ハードコートでただの球出しなら評価はできない

399 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 08:25:51.10 ID:Vg0Uj7yd.net

球出しでもいいから片手バックハンドで７種類のスピンを打ってる動画
ないですか？
それなら勉強になる

400 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 08:37:02.06 ID:GHnX+igB.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

401 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 09:30:45.17 ID:C8dBzVW1.net

>>392
そうなんだよなあ
チャンスボールを強打するだけならちょっと練習すれば片手でもすぐできるようになるし、
スパーンと気持ちよく凄い球がいくから「俺片手向いてるんじゃね」って思うけど、
いざ走らされたり振り遅れたり高かったり低かったりするボールに対しても常に一定のクオリティで打ち返すのが片手は難しい
まあでも、そこが片手の醍醐味だと思ってるから楽しいけどね

402 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 09:43:20.15 ID:FMygzS+J.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

403 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 10:16:15.92 ID:C3k49miS.net

自分の力で打ち込むなら片手
カウンターで打ち返すなら両手

404 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 10:50:25.63 ID:tEPbiIhx.net

ダブルBHのボディーに向けて、フォアスライスを打つと、何気に決まる。
ま、スライスサーブのボディー狙いと同じ効果だね

405 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:05:08.48 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>391
逆だぞ。両手のほうがシンプルで初中級で上手くなりやすい。足を動かす、ユニットターンなどシンプルなことに注力すれば良いからやらなければいけないことが少ない。その分フィジカル重視になる。

406 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:07:25.77 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>391
片手は身体の運用からプレイスメントまで単純にやることが倍以上あるしな。その分中級以上になったとき下積みがしっかりしてればそれが生きて、やりたいことの幅が広がるのが片手だぞ。

407 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:07:58.10 ID:C8dBzVW1.net

一番最初にテニスのサーブにプロネーションという概念を持ち込んだ人はすごいよなあ

408 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:08:29.14 ID:C8dBzVW1.net

あ、誤爆った

409 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:18:59.63 ID:EPq+4f4d.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

410 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:26:43.09 ID:EPq+4f4d.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

411 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:32:47.28 ID:EPq+4f4d.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

412 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 13:50:51.59 ID:EPq+4f4d.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

413 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 15:57:25.79 ID:Vg0Uj7yd.net

>>392
言ってる事わかるわ
俺は打ちあいの中で差し込まれる感覚が嫌で辞めてしまったよ。
スライスは得意だったけどスライスだけでは限界あるから・・
体重が軽かったせいもあるけどフィジカルもそれなりに鍛えた方が良かったのかな

414 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 16:01:08.54 ID:Vg0Uj7yd.net

＞＞４０６のいってることもわかるな
たしかに下積み（良いコーチ？）しっかりしてる人はすんなり身に着けてる感じもした
スライスベースのバックハンドのゲーム展開だったから下手にスピンを
覚える必要もなかったのかな？パッシングの制度をあげるだけでも十分だったのかも

415 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 16:03:09.44 ID:Vg0Uj7yd.net

昔だけどスライスはコンチネンタル　スピンはフルウエスタンに近い状態で打ってたよ
パッシング中心だったから　握り替えにしっぱいしてミスも連発してたな

416 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 16:04:55.10 ID:Vg0Uj7yd.net

あまりにもグリップチェンジがありすぎて相手には即座にばれてた
その辺の駆け引きも辞める原因だった

417 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 18:00:06.14 ID:wxe2UNkk.net

プロでもたまにバックのパッシングでスライス使うよね
対応時間が短すぎたり空いてる空間が大きくて
ここは球の球威やスピードよりコントロール重視って時に使うんだろうけど

418 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 20:15:10.65 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>416
>>415
握り替え失敗してミス連発っていうのは相手のショットに対しての予測（経験）と判断が正確じゃなかったから。

419 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 20:16:44.77 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>415
>>416
相手にバレたのはグリップチェンジが多いからでなく、テイクバック時の肩より上の段階でスライスとスピン２つのフォームに明らかな違いが合ったから。片手は「隠蔽」というのも一つの技術だ。

420 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 21:24:17.10 ID:VfXWfqjt.net

両手バックスピンの方がまだばれないんじゃね？テイクバックまで同じにできるだろ

421 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 21:31:08.22 ID:4ef9wLKa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

422 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 21:34:35.55 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>420
一長一短だよね。片手スライスっていうのは守備範囲の増加もメリットだからね。確かに君の言うみたいに両手のバックスライスは隠蔽効果高いけどそれは片手の守備範囲の広さと等価交換なんだよね。肩を入れた状態の打点比較でおよそ横にラケット１本くらい差が出る。

423 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 21:38:48.67 ID:4ef9wLKa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

424 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 21:44:06.77 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>420
で、もう一つはそこまで足使って近づくならスピンを打つんだよね。両手の人は。例えるなら、両手に取ってスライスって脇差しなんだよね「あったら便利」
片手にとってスライスって「ないと困る」スピンが「強技か必殺技」だから刀と別に大太刀背負ってるみたいな。
大太刀を当てる為の方法として隠蔽を使う訳さ。

425 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 21:58:25.78 ID:4ef9wLKa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

426 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 22:28:50.58 ID:+da7ppn+.net

片手にとってスライスは便利使い出来る無いと困るアイテムだよね
フラットやスピンはチャンスで心強い必殺技みたいな
初めて当たった相手にスライスばっかり見せといて
浅いチャンボを決めに行く時に初めてショートスピンでストレート打つと
相手が大抵立ち尽くす

427 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 22:32:05.42 ID:4ef9wLKa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

428 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 22:44:56.33 ID:d29DCAr8.net

>>426
そうなんだよね。間違えちゃいけないのがプロやセミプロレベルの片手プレイヤーのプレーでスピンやドライブでガンガン打ち合ってる時あるけど、彼らはスピンもスライスも「使える上」でその時その相手に打ち合いが必要だから「選んでる」のを分からないといけない。

429 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 22:52:00.78 ID:4ef9wLKa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

430 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 23:34:47.62 ID:C8dBzVW1.net

>>428
それってみんな知ってる当たり前のことを難しげに書いてるだけでしょ
連投する前にもうちょっと頭の中で整理してから書いたらいいと思うよ

431 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 23:40:41.78 ID:R9HjT57I.net

良スレ化してるのに、なんでこの基地外はここを荒らすのか
ＮＧにしてるからいちいち読まずに済んでるとはいえ、腹立たしいな

432 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 23:50:07.56 ID:4ef9wLKa.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

433 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/08(水) 23:50:29.87 ID:oecXfXBg.net

>>431
そういうスレを選んでるのかも

434 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 00:39:21.47 ID:L0ltIpXs.net

>>417
動画晴れ
基本的にスライスでパッシングはしない
裏書ければ抜けるけどギャンブル

435 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 00:54:49.31 ID:poDgmvt+.net

>>430
会話の流れ読んだ方がいいよ。それが分からない層が初中級辺りに多いんだよ。

436 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 00:56:19.70 ID:PYTsO1+l.net

>>434
珍しいけどあることはある
見たことないの？
もうギリ届いてスライスしか体勢が作れなかったり
相手が体制崩して意図せずにオープンコートが出来た時とかだけど
要はコースさえしっかりしてれば球威は必要ない（出せない）状況だよ

437 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 00:56:41.66 ID:poDgmvt+.net

>>430
スライス重視でつなぎを覚えさせるならプレイスメントと回り込みフォアを覚えないといけないしスピン重視で覚えるなら高い打点に対応出来るようライジングやフィジカルやステップワークを覚えないといけない。どっちみち両手以上に下積みがいるというのが俺の結論。

438 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 08:20:02.72 ID:KreLuqd1.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

439 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:29:31.88 ID:p5MAsh16.net

錦織こそ、もっとスライスを多用してCOPに役立てるべき！

440 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:41:32.64 ID:0LO2u3eQ.net

腕をしっかり下げるのが大事だと最近悟った
上げた状態だと小さな円運動になってしまって
縮こまった打ち方になってしまう。プロを見てても
意識的に腕を下げるようにしてるね

441 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:47:12.77 ID:L+mgqY9R.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

442 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:48:52.43 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

>>418
あくまでもパッシング時の話だから・・
相手はネットに詰めてる状態だし中々難しかった。片手でトップスピンロブが
打てないので相手は俺がトップスピンロブ打てないのわかってるから
パッシング打つの狙って極端に前に詰められたからね
>>419
もちろんテイクバック時に悟られてたよ　詰めてきてるのわかったし
でもコンチでスピンは打てなかったし、それを乗り越えるだけの技術も時間的余裕も
無かった感じだね

443 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:51:11.20 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

>>420
そういうことなんだよ
前の７種類のフォアの動画あるけど、両手打ちの人なら難なくこなせると思う
片手でそれが出来るようになるには相当の技術が必要になると思う

444 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:52:27.76 ID:L+mgqY9R.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

445 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:53:07.70 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

まあ、入らんでも見せかけでも片手でスピンロブ何本か放ってれば良かったんだろうねｗ
当時は完璧主義だったから駆け引きを嫌ってしまったかも知れん

446 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 12:56:52.59 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

>>439
錦織にとってスライスなんて遊びでしょ　また抜きショットくらいにしか
考えてないよ　全く意図も感じないし

447 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 13:30:49.85 ID:L+mgqY9R.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

448 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 13:40:18.88 ID:0LO2u3eQ.net

アガシのバックハンドのスロー動画見つけたんだけど
よく見るとスライスやスピンを打ち分けてるね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUSwCxwmUc

449 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 13:48:57.70 ID:0LO2u3eQ.net

画質はめっちゃ悪いけどこの動画も勉強になるわ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PF1kfJSia4

450 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 13:49:57.46 ID:L+mgqY9R.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

451 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/09(木) 14:29:35.38 ID:EMqyud3n.net

>>442
結果論から語るのも良くないんだけど、飛び込む側からしたら、選択肢が少ないから飛び込めるんだよね。トップスピンの構え→ロブなし、パッシングのみ。スライスの構え→ロブかパッシングもある。突っこっんで来てるなら対角線上の後ろは空いてたんじゃ？

452 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 14:51:41.07 ID:rsGZCP/c.net

ネットに詰めてるならスライスロブでもいい話なのに

453 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 14:57:56.39 ID:CG/Zpms8.net

右利き両手バックのテイクバックは左脇を締めた方がいいですか？

454 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 15:02:48.51 ID:OOTkROCq.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

455 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 15:18:36.99 ID:nS+64q6X.net

>>453
脇を空けるってのはないけど、締め方は打ち方による。
ダブルバックってのは、打ち方がたくさんあるんだよね。
セレス、アガシ、チャン、錦織、ナダル
全部打ち方が違う。

456 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 15:54:18.69 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

457 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:15:41.99 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

>>451
そうなんですが、スライスがコンチ　スピンがフルウエスタンなので
握り替えが間に合わないんですよ　だからこそ相手も詰めてこれる
詰めたふりして俺がグリップ切り替えた瞬間に相手は下がってスマッシュ狙う
この悪循環でメンタルやられた

458 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:19:02.73 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

結局は俺の技術不足だった
スライスとスピンがテイクバックの時点でバレバレのバックハンドだったし
それを修正する前に諦めてしまった

459 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:27:50.32 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

460 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/09(木) 16:29:12.46 ID:EMqyud3n.net

>>458
その試合をいま、責めるつもりはないけれど、�@フォームがバレて�A思い切りよく前に来られてプレッシャーをかけられた。�Bそのせいで対応が後手に回って選択が絞られて誘導された。
ってのを理解して欲しいんだ。

461 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:30:41.49 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

462 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/09(木) 16:33:09.49 ID:EMqyud3n.net

>>458
�@は試合前に直さないといけないこと。�Aは誘導だけどプレッシャーかけてロブを選択肢からはずさせる事でパッシングを打たせる事が目的。�Aへの対策は早い段階でのロブを見せること。もしくはボディや速度差のある足もとへのショット。

463 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:52:40.13 ID:w1ciM6kh.net

誘導された攻略された
足元へのショットの安定感がなかった
＞＞４５８でも書いてある通り技術不足
そこを掘り下げて技術習得するだけのタフさはその当時なかったですねｗ
スライスベースだったからこちらから仕掛ける展開は限られてたし、
足元へのショットやパッシングなどのショットも守りの延長って感じてたし
守り重視のテニスに嫌気さしてた

464 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:53:51.98 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

465 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 16:54:34.25 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

466 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 17:05:37.80 ID:fSTvkfyf.net

みんな片手でスピンロブ打つ時に心がけてるコツとかある？
自分の場合は見破られないために途中までの通常のスピンと同じで
若干面を上に向けながら瞬間的にブラッシュするように打つようにしてる

467 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 17:22:06.95 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

468 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/09(木) 17:36:42.45 ID:EMqyud3n.net

>>463
あーなるほど、駆け引きをやってミスを引き出すのが性分に合わなかったのか。なら、仕方ないよね。過去形ってことは今、両手なんでしょ？誘い込んで気持ちよくカウンターの方が性格に合ってた訳だ。

469 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 17:41:11.67 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

470 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 17:50:04.42 ID:eIFxc6TJ.net

>>466
自分はショートアングルを打つ時にわざとらしくしっかりクローズで打っといて混ぜるかな

471 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 17:51:19.10 ID:76Z74Hy2.net

>>455
今はテイクバック時にラケットヘッドを低く構えてます、アドバイスありがとうございました。

472 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 17:55:46.57 ID:NoPidbvi.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

473 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 20:25:27.26 ID:1tQx4r4Q.net

>>471
腕はなるべく振らず、脱力してインパクトで握り込む程度、体で打つくらいの感じで試してみるといいと思う

474 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 22:02:44.16 ID:p5MAsh16.net

>>446 だけど、Big4は、みなスライス上手いよ

片手のフェデラーはともかく、他の三者はトップになるにつれ、
スライスが上手くなってきた

475 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/09(木) 22:32:31.27 ID:7gteJ1bb.net

day is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

476 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 10:53:29.33 ID:T/2nwcZA.net

やっぱ、エナンだな〜

エナンのメンタルとスライスがあってこそ
ゴリ兄弟を撃破できたんだ

477 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 13:02:01.20 ID:oIRLVC10.net

ゴリラとまともにやりあえたのってエナンかクライシュテルスくらいか

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTc-gv8tNWQ

478 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 13:42:11.95 ID:MUUyXDJL.net

斧をもったウイリアム対
細身のサーベルのエナンって感じだな

479 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 15:20:03.15 ID:f303x+j2.net

キムはゴリラ枠だろ・・・
全く関係ないがドキッチの乳首にはお世話になりました

480 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 15:25:38.07 ID:96tC3ljs.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

481 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:04:29.13 ID:zO6BNjb2.net

バック側に追い出されてスライスで返す時なんだけど
相手にもスライスとハッキリバレてる時に
それほどスピードも威力もないのに深いダウンザラインを打つと
何か相手がワンテンポ遅れたような反応が多いんだよね
まるで「そっちに来るのかよ」みたいな反応
スライスで深いダウンザラインってそんなに意外なのかな
時間稼ぐために遅い滞空時間もあるスライスなんだけど
ちなみにダブルスの話です

482 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:15:51.26 ID:Mk0X/MqU.net

>>481
状況がよく分からんのだけど
ダブルスって言うんだから、互いに雁行陣でクロスに打ち合ってるんだよな？
そこで、スライスでダウンザラインって、ストレートロブか？

483 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:22:25.20 ID:zO6BNjb2.net

>>482
ロブではない
前衛に捕まらないコースとして打ってる

484 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:33:39.72 ID:Cd6NC4CU.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

485 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:36:21.43 ID:zO6BNjb2.net

補足するとお互い雁行陣でクロスで打ち合ってるパターンが多いけど
前衛がセンター寄りだったりこっちが追い出され過ぎてる時に打ってる
高さとしては予測してれば前衛に十分捕まる高さだけど
ネット辺りだとサイドラインギリか外を通ってる軌道
だからまず前衛も飛びついては来ないんだけど

486 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:47:49.32 ID:Cd6NC4CU.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

487 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:52:25.22 ID:Mk0X/MqU.net

>>485
前衛がポーチを狙ってセンターに意識が行ってるからじゃね？
スライスは、クロスからストレートへの変更がしやすい。
前衛の位置も見やすいので、はまると裏をかいてきれいに決まる

488 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 18:55:33.59 ID:Bn4vbSjX.net

スライスを苦しい時に打つショットと認識して、ポーチに出ようと相手が思ったのかも。

そんな軌道でストレートが来るくらいなら、通常はケアしてるとは思うんだけど。

489 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 19:05:38.68 ID:Cd6NC4CU.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

490 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/10(金) 19:39:19.01 ID:zjQ6/XFB.net

>>481
構えがバレバレ→選択が絞れる。前述の状態でスライスだと前衛はスピンの構えだとストレートアタック警戒するだろうけどクロスの球をポーチ「出てやろう」って思うから。

491 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/10(金) 19:42:29.15 ID:zjQ6/XFB.net

>>481
ロブケアにしたって、あからさまにテイクバックが違うと警戒すればいいし、上がったロブが対空時間たくさんあるのならチェンジすれば済む話だしね。

492 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 19:45:44.17 ID:Cd6NC4CU.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

493 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:15:58.12 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

>>481
それはたまたま
相手がよっぽど慣れてないだけ。
基本的にそれは格好の餌食になるね

494 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:18:03.65 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

>>481
よっぽど下手か相手のダブルスパートナーの意思疎通が全く取れてないだけ
それは間違いなくマグレだと思っていい　

495 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:21:25.35 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

496 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:23:54.65 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

>>488
それも無い。
それだけの角度で決まっているのなら相手後衛は前にでる
当然、前衛はストレート・ロブを意識する
ポーチなんて発想はありえない
相手のダブルスパートナーの意思疎通が取れてないだけ

497 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:26:08.65 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

498 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:27:46.62 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

>>474
錦織も含めトップレベルは皆うまい
ただ戦術の中に組み込まれてないと思う。上手いけど戦略としてスライスを
使ってるのはエナンだけだと思う。
１０年見てないkらわからんけどエナンのスライスには意味ある
他の選手は超スライスうまいけど戦術として使ってない

499 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:31:04.59 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

錦織なんかはドロップ多様するから
パフォーマンスとしてスライスを織り交ぜてるのかもしれないけど
それ以外での錦織が放つ意図は感じない
超うまいけど

500 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:32:49.94 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

501 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:38:31.92 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

502 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/10(金) 22:45:24.75 ID:zjQ6/XFB.net

>>496
球種がスライスの場合、前衛の追い足が追いついて事後対処でもボレーには出れるだろ。相手のスライスの技量を俺たち実際に見てもないのに「ない」とか切り捨てるんじゃないよ。
あと雁行は前をやるのが嫌で後ろやってる人らもいるからなー絶対前に詰めて来るかっていうとそうとも限らない。

503 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:59:27.69 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

504 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 22:59:46.10 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

>>502
基本的に間違ってない？>>481は自分が角度付けられて振られた状態
でスライスを打ってるって話ですよ・・・

505 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:01:51.05 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

相手に振られて>>481自身がスライスしか打てない状況でストレートに放った。
ところが相手はビックリした表情を浮かべたって話
相手がおかしいだけ

506 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:07:58.25 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

507 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:08:34.89 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

508 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:13:57.32 ID:vCLIMgLa.net

＞＞４８１自体のブレースタイルをまず聞かなければ答えはでないと思うけどｗ
おれの予想だと＞＞４８１は両手打ちでクロスのショットを多用するタイプだと感じる
クロスの打ちあいの中で相手に振られるくらいのショットを打たれてコート外に追い出され
スライスを放ったと予想してます。
相手の予想が大幅に狂った。相手前衛の技量不足か＞＞４８１のクロスへのショット
が試合の中で強烈だったかとイメージできますね

509 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:28:59.34 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

510 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:36:13.66 ID:fLLFXdIy.net

2013.09.17
２ちゃんねる元管理人・西村ひろゆきの申告漏れは悪質過ぎる！
http://straydog.way-nifty.com/yamaokashunsuke/2013/09/post-91ee.html

★この記事が出るまで２ちゃん管理人の"ひろゆき"は「自分は２ちゃん管理人ではない」と嘘をついていましたｗ
↓
2012年6月29日
２ちゃん運営会社は「ペーパー会社」　登記上の役員証言
http://i.imgur.com/R1oWjxN.jpg

ひろゆき(２ちゃん管理人）は数々の民事訴訟を抱えている。
請求されている賠償金は１０億円。
ひろゆきは賠償金を１円も払っていない。
2012年6月
http://hello.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ms/1431191456/677

★２ちゃんの広告主、無修正エロ動画カリビアンコム
↓
カリビアンコム…有限会社ピエロ（本社：東京都練馬区、代表取締役：陳美娟）
http://www.peeep.u●s/3ee0ef64

↑
覚醒剤SEX動画カリビアンコムは２ちゃんの大広告主でした

昔、２ちゃんにはカリビアンコムの広告がたくさんあったんです

覚醒剤SEX動画カリビアンコムを大きくしたのは２ちゃんねる管理人ひろゆき、です

２ちゃん管理人はハッキングとストーカーをしています(ハッキングは普通にしています)

２ちゃんは匿名の掲示板ではないです

511 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/10(金) 23:49:26.29 ID:j9zAxBiX.net

is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

512 ：ID:d29DCAr8：2017/02/11(土) 00:01:04.84 ID:LbIr7PtX.net

>>504
それはわかってるよ（笑）それに対して君は相手ペアのコミュニケーション不足を理由にしたんだよね？俺は前衛の動きから飛び込もうとしたから逆突かれたんじゃね？って言ってんだけど。
481への書込み見ても思うんだけど君仮定に仮定を重ね過ぎだよ。それじゃ論の確証が薄くなる。

513 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 00:16:57.49 ID:UhtypSV0.net

コミュニケーション不足よりも相手前衛の技術不足じゃないかな？
クロスの打ちあいで相手が振られて角度付けられてる状況
この状況でストレートをケアしない前衛が存在するの？って話

ダブルスで角度付けられた状況でポーチに出るって発想が理解できない
真っ先にケアすべきはストレートだと思うけどｗ

514 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 00:40:53.81 ID:uOVn8wfQ.net

ダブルスプレイヤーは出て行ってくれないか？

ここはシングルスの話題の場だ

515 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 00:41:38.16 ID:eETQ2UlU.net

year

516 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 00:57:27.53 ID:cDNxyixS.net

ダブルス・シングルスどっちでもいいけど、ダブルスのパスの話とかいらんよ
技術どうのこうのの話じゃないって

517 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 01:10:53.71 ID:eETQ2UlU.net

ドイツは美女ぞろいだな

518 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 01:51:45.03 ID:5G6uhTsF.net

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519 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 07:16:57.68 ID:YCyIOSou.net

>>516
コースを隠すのは立派な技術だと思うけど

520 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 09:28:06.47 ID:nUnE+Qq5.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

521 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 10:59:08.39 ID:6ho10rUl.net

>>479
ドキッチを知ってるあなたは・・・
気が合いそうだ&#9825;

522 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 11:40:43.10 ID:UhtypSV0.net

わりーねｗ俺の情報は１５年前だからねｗ
でもダブルスで角度ついたらストレートを本能的にケアすると思いますよ
ドキッキとかシャラポアとか今の時代にテニスしてるやつは良いおかずだよなｗ
俺らの時代はヒンギスとかナブラチロワだし
ヒンギスは禿てたしナブラッチはレズビアンだしさｗ

523 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 11:43:30.92 ID:UhtypSV0.net

でも俺らの時代ではゴリラみたいな選手はいなかった。
ヤニックノアくらいか　ヤニックもかっこよかったけどね

524 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 11:49:30.69 ID:UhtypSV0.net

>>514
ドイツ選手だとグラフ　フーバー　ピルスくらいか？
古いｗ？

525 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 11:50:40.54 ID:UhtypSV0.net

ヒンギスは禿てたしマッケンローは禿げかけた状態維持してるし
俺の方が禿げてる

526 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 11:58:18.60 ID:UhtypSV0.net

>>521ドキッチよりクルニコワじゃないの？
当時は誰もがクルニコワのファンだった

527 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 12:08:34.50 ID:fQNL5TE+.net

Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

528 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 12:59:23.10 ID:GoRm4jBB.net

>>455
＞ダブルバックってのは、打ち方がたくさんあるんだよね。
そういう分析って意外とないんだよな

529 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 14:21:50.81 ID:UhtypSV0.net

>>528
両手分析してみて

530 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 15:11:05.12 ID:8PBFb/YC.net

とりあえずセレスのバック
利き手をフォア側に厚く握って、曲がった両肘に特徴がある。
胸と腕で五角形を作って、コマのように回転で打つような感じ。
打点が体に近づくため、ライジングが打ちやすい。
よってリターンに強い。
ただ、スピンが打ちづらいのと、リーチが短いのでフットワークが良くないときつい。
伊達もこの打ち方だね。

531 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 16:45:47.07 ID:UhtypSV0.net

>>530
なるほど
両手難しい

532 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 16:50:14.57 ID:8PBFb/YC.net

チャンのバックは、横を向いたまま、体の回転を使わないところに特徴がある。
グリップはセレス同様、利き手がフォア側に厚い。
横を向いたまま、前足への体重移動と、両手でラケットを引っ張り上げるように打つ。
打ち終わりでラケットを肩に担ぎ上げる感じ。
あらゆる打ち方で一番打点が後ろになるため、懐が深くてコースが分かりづらいし、下から上に振りぬくためトップスピンが打ちやすい

533 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 17:20:18.88 ID:igB/CCEV.net

hursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
Discovered by Nerdleaks, the listing states they were filed today. The Nintendo direct briefing, which was expecting big news takes place tomorrow.
So this might have been leaked. Note that the trademark registrations don't always mount to product releases. Additionally, there's no mention in the listing that Pokemon Sun and Moon are games.
And add to that, Pokemon Sun and Moon appeared to be the name of fan-made games. You can see it right here. The Pokemon-themed Nintendo ●r● kicks off tomorrow, Feburuary 26th at 7 a.m.
Gamespot will have all the news as it's announced. So hopefully, this one's real. Finally, there's something you just can't put a number on. ●r●l● exquisite pieces, that are priceless.
Things like Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 5, and Resident Evil 6. Coming to Xbox one and PS4. You can't put a number on things like that. They're gonna be listed for 20 dollars a piece.
All rich people enjoy a good full bodied ●r●. And today Capcom announced today that all three games are coming to new consoles, beginning with Resident Evil 6 in March.
Each game? It's be gonna 20 bucks. Resident Evil 6's r●-r●l● will come with all pr●l● r●l● add-on content, including costumes and more.
Resident Evil 5's release is sl● for summer 2016, with Resident Evil 4, coming this fall. Capcom also announced that ●l disc versions will ●l●le in America, though no ●rth● details were provided.
Publisher didn't say if the new versions of any game will be ●gr● to better ●r● or if they'll just be a standard port.
In many ways, Gamespot news is like this 6-year ●l● Kentucky rye whiskey. It's rich, full-bodied, and I'm about to finish it right now. See you guys again tomorrow.
idiot, nerd, geek, loser, piece of shit, sob, scum, sucker, sicko, psycho
ﾎﾟﾝｺﾂ･ﾄﾝﾁｷ･ｶﾞﾗｸﾀ･ｸｽﾞ･ｺﾞﾐ･ｶｽ･最低以下の下劣･下等種族。 劣等種族･下衆野郎･腐れ外道･邪道･外道･非道･ｳｼﾞ虫･害虫･ガン細胞。 ｳｨﾙｽ･ばい菌･疫病神･病原体･汚染源･公害･ﾀﾞｲｵｷｼﾝ･有毒物質。 廃棄物･発癌物

534 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 19:16:31.05 ID:UhtypSV0.net

なんとなくわかるけど難しいな〜
両手は無理だわ　０からのスタートになる

535 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/11(土) 19:19:17.14 ID:UhtypSV0.net

俺が両手やったら０からのスタートになりそう
テニス初めての頃は両手１年くらいやってたけどね
球出しのフォームつくりからやらんと無理だわ
片手ならまた始めてもやれるかも知れんが・・

536 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 12:03:05.44 ID:MNsF7AOS.net

ダブルスリターンで、ディンクショットを打ちたいよ〜

537 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 14:56:48.79 ID:tuYyL0Iu.net

片手バックで普通に打ってもなぜか左にスライスする
強力なスライスではないけどはねてるからスピンなのかな
擦り上げてるつもりは全く無いけどアッパースイングに
なってるのかなぁ・・・

538 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 15:03:29.52 ID:ulro4DeR.net

打点遅れてサイドスピンかかってるんでは？

539 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 15:05:55.35 ID:tuYyL0Iu.net

振り遅れてるってことか？

540 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 15:06:16.47 ID:tuYyL0Iu.net

打点が後ろすぎるってことか

541 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 15:22:22.65 ID:tiy7RpuK.net

スライスじゃなくてシングルハンドで打って左にスライスしてるなら
よくいるダサい爺さんの横振りシングルハンドだからだよ
動画で見ると死にたくなると思う

542 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 15:52:58.90 ID:2UL3njJN.net

打点を前目にしてヘッドと腕をを回し切らずに残す感じでやれば横振りでもいいフラットのバックになる可能性はある。
そうするともはや横降りとは言えないかもしれないけど、へたに上に振り抜くよりパンチは出せる。

543 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 16:36:01.34 ID:0nF9V3hZ.net

横振りかはしらんが
咄嗟のボディへの対応として使える

544 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 16:38:16.77 ID:tuYyL0Iu.net

上下動をなくそうとあえて同じ軌道で振ってたんだけど意識して
フォロースルーをしすぎてたのかも・・・回しきらない程度で
止めたら良いんですねやってみます

545 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 17:59:03.41 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

>>537
話にならんよ
球出しからスタートするしかない
フォームが全く固まってない証拠

546 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:08:38.03 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

>>544
インパクトの瞬間を大事にしてもいいかもね
フォロースルーを意識しすぎるより、インパクトの瞬間を意識したほうが安定するよ

547 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:10:53.87 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

>>546
フォロースルーは自然で良いと思うよ　
止めた方がいいとか考えるとまたおかしくなる
インパクトの瞬間を意識して後は自然の流れでフォロースルー

548 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:14:24.39 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

それと軸足を意識しすぎるのも良くない
踏み込みすぎるとかオープンでとか意識しすぎると軸がぶれて
振り遅れてサイドスピンって悪循環に陥る
回転だけでインパクト意識して打てば自然な流れでフォロースルーも
スムーズにいく　

549 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:16:06.49 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

回転だけって間違いだな
左手で開き抑える感じだよ

550 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:34:20.99 ID:BN9Kbbej.net

オープンで軸ずれるだけでカスなんだが・・・・・
オープンなんだろう？
なんのタメのオープンなんだよ
つーかテニスやってから語れよ

551 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:38:04.62 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

エナンが厚いグリップなのにライジングでパッシングまたはウイニングショットするショットあるでしょ
あれ使えるようになるとワンランクアップすると思う
あれはインパクトの瞬間左手で開き抑えて（弓矢の様な）
パワーとプレースメントをコントロールUPさせてる
俺にとってはあの技が必要だったんだな

552 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:42:23.83 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

>>550
オープンっていってもフォアハンドオープンと違うんだよ
バックシングルのオープンってのはほぼ動かさないに近い発想だよ
強烈なサーブ打たれたときとか左足を軸に打つわけでしょ
体重移動しない打ち方も必要なんだよ

553 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:45:36.44 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

サイドスピンがかかってしまう段階で考える事ではないって事でもある
だから踏み込み過ぎるとかオープンでとかフォロースルーとか考える前に
すべきことがある
サイドスピンかかってる状態はフォームが固まってないよ
１８歳で県は制してるよ　オープン大会も出たことあるよ

554 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:50:48.93 ID:S7yoR5uS.net

片手は打点遅れたら負けだからバウンドする前にテイクバック完了させる
バウンドに合わせてテイクバックしてるから遅れる、慌てて振り出す、中に入ってライジングも打てない
あと、振り出しと一緒に踏み込むぐらいでないと足決まってしまって動かなくなって最後までボールに合わせられない

555 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 18:55:45.37 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

>>554
オープンなら打点遅らせても打てるでしょ
ワウリンカなんてそれを多用してる　打点遅らせてオープンでワンテンポ
遅らせることで相手の逆ついてる
打点遅れたら負けって発想が多様性失わせてると思うよ
その発想は踏み込まなければならないって言ってるのと同じだから
それがサイドスピンとか単純なミスに繋がってるよ

556 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:04:01.76 ID:BN9Kbbej.net

片手は右足を軸足にすると、打点遅れは致命的になる
クロスには飛ばない

左足を軸足にできればなんとかなるけど、やってるのティエムとワウリンカが稀にやるくらい
一般人は練習無しでバックフットの片手バックなんて打てない

なお練習さえすれば、一般人でもできる模様

片手のオープンは存在を忘れてもいいわ
つーか片手のオープンなんてどっから出てきたんだ？
カリビアンコム張ったヤツくらい意味が分からん

557 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:08:04.32 ID:BN9Kbbej.net

>>551
そういえばエナンはバックのオープンスタンス上手かった
エナンはバックのストロークもだが、バックのリターンも良い

558 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:18:35.45 ID:CzZI6Tnb.net

フェデラーが今回のナダルとの
ファイナルでやってた高打点バックハンドでの
ライン上への深いムーンボールは芸術的だったな

559 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:22:01.37 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

たしかに片手バックでオープンって表現はおかしいわ
軸足を左に残した状態・踏み込めない状態

560 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:36:58.79 ID:S7yoR5uS.net

オープンで打てるってのが打点が遅れても良い理由にはならない
そもそも打点が遅れやすい人はテイクバックと振り出しのタイミングが遅いのに、それを改善しないでオープンで打ちましょうってアドバイスがズレてると思わない？
テイクバックを早くする事がダメな理由あるか？
それに足は最後まで動かせる状態って書いてるんだけど？踏み込む足が空中でも下がりながらでも打てるけどスイング距離含めた打点だけは遅れちゃダメなんだよ
そこまで遅れたらスライス

561 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:39:59.40 ID:icGr+U3y.net

両手のバックも、
相手にコース読まれないように
肩を入れて背中向けて、テイクバックしたほうが
いいんだよね？

でも追いつかないときはオープンで
上半身で押し出す感じで打ってるよね？

562 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:47:15.36 ID:BN9Kbbej.net

>>561
コースなんて読まれても問題ないだろう
バックのDTL難易度高いし、精度出ない
しっかり順クロスに深く返せればなんの問題も無いし、それなりに勝てる

563 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 19:49:49.48 ID:fx8OE+ea.net

>>555
＞オープンなら打点遅らせても打てるでしょ
＞ワウリンカなんてそれを多用してる　打点遅らせてオープンでワンテンポ
遅らせることで相手の逆ついてる
＞打点遅れたら負けって発想が多様性失わせてると思うよ
それは世界レベルのトッププロだから可能な高等技術であって、
一般プレーヤーだったら最初から打点を遅らせるのも容易な両手打ちでやれってなっちゃうわ

564 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 20:25:30.32 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

>>563
あんまりワウリンカ知らんで書いてしまった。
ただ昔のテニスでも踏み込まないで打つ必要はあったよ
意図的に打点を遅らせて打つのはオーバーで高等技術だけど
踏み込めない状況でも打つ練習はさせられた。

565 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 20:28:54.29 ID:GZNHwEg9.net

だからニックボルテリーなんかも両手を強く推奨してるんじゃないですか？
基本的に片手は不利と考えてるし

566 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 20:40:34.80 ID:0nF9V3hZ.net

俺はそれは時代遅れだと思うわ
ショット基礎が出来てるなら老若男女問わず両方やりゃいい
その上でセンスがあるなら片手でいけばいいし
セレナや錦織もワンハンドラケットワークの練習として片手スピンスイングもこなしてる
現代テニスはコートの高速化に進んでるからプロ志向のジュニアとかなら尚更じゃね

567 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 21:08:14.04 ID:BN9Kbbej.net

片手有利だったら、みんな片手にしてるわ
残念だが片手不利なところは大いにある

よってプロは片手しか応援しない
錦織VSワウリンカだったら、ワウリンカ応援するわ

ところでボルテリーって誰だ？

568 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 21:59:11.05 ID:tuYyL0Iu.net

教えてくれてる人に難癖付ける人なんなんだろうね

ちょっとしたアドバイスでも感覚的にすぐわかるからありがたい
素人だの何だの言う人に限って自分は何もレクチャーできない

569 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 22:38:17.80 ID:3Bp2WpUY.net

片手はバリエーションが広いってのが面白いよね、結局
その分習得するのも安定させるのも時間がかかるし、差し込まれるとやっぱり弱い

570 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 22:53:31.23 ID:/KbmY7cU.net

ボルテリー

ナルバンジャン

デルポルト

571 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 23:06:01.91 ID:hm9wUTv6.net

片手バックならマッケンローがかっこいい。

572 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/12(日) 23:25:35.18 ID:BN9Kbbej.net

今プロ観戦は片手バックがほんと面白い
また最後ボレーで決めるのが必須技術になりつつある

573 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 05:50:52.78 ID:rTnhi5Jw.net

>>561
肩はしっかり入れるべき
てか、基本腕は、肘から先しか使わないくらいに考えたほうがいい。
よって、肩を入れて体で打たないと、ボールに力が入らない。

ただ、背中を見せるまでってのはスタンスによる。

574 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 06:01:31.41 ID:rTnhi5Jw.net

>>561
遠いボールに追いついて打つ場合は、基本はクローズドだと思う。
オープンを多用するのはジョコだけど、あれは体の柔らかさと高いバランス感覚があればこそ。
ハードでもスライディングフットワークを使うようなやつだから、真似はできない。

バックで参考になるのは、マレーと錦織。
スタンダードな打ち方で、動画もいっぱい上がってる。
両者の違いは、左手のグリップでマレーの方が薄い。
よって、マレーの方が低いボールに強いと思う。
もっとも、錦織も、ボールが低い時は、軽く握り変えてるとは思うけど

575 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 10:12:21.25 ID:ciUgcEZJ.net

片手ならエナンが教科書通りのテニスしてる。
現代テニスしらないけど女子でこれだけ完璧な片手バック打てる選手は見た事
ない。ナブラチロワ　グラフ　サバテイーニこんなレベルの比ではないね
今後もこれ以上完璧な片手バック出来る選手出ないんじゃないかな？

576 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 11:08:08.66 ID:+Em5B7fX.net

だからこそ、ゴリ兄弟をGSで連覇できたんだろう。

スライスによるCOPこそ、ゴリ攻略法だというに、

相手のフィールドであるパワーゲームを挑むなんて、
愚の骨頂と言いたい。

ラドワンスカにエナンのバックがあれば・・

577 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 11:19:08.40 ID:Xd9zxIDD.net

女子の片手バックハンドと言えばモレスモ兄貴のことも思い出してあげてください

578 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 13:37:20.44 ID:+CgCK3x1.net

あれはもう女子じゃない(ぁ

579 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 14:02:41.33 ID:ciUgcEZJ.net

ヒンギスは滅茶苦茶しってるのに、なんでエナンとモレスモ知らなかったんだろう？
俺と年齢６〜７歳しか違わないのに・・・
エナンはこの板で知ったし今日モレスモは初めて知った
ヒンギスのテニスは全てわかる　なんでだ？

580 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 15:05:08.46 ID:U9MYm+XU.net

両手バックバンドで野球打ちはダメと言われるけど
テイクバックからラケットヘッドが回ってくる感じはかなり野球のスウィングに近いな

581 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 15:27:16.42 ID:xLpjvwqa.net

クーリエ呼んだ？

582 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 15:49:38.40 ID:ywOTIEI9.net

>>579
活躍期間が短かったのと故障で長期離脱が何度かあるからじゃない

583 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 18:21:10.05 ID:Xd9zxIDD.net

モレスモは見た目はギリシヤ彫像のような凛々しいイケメン男子で、恋のお相手はいつも女
一方で優勢に進めてた試合で勝ちを目の前にするとボロボロに崩れ出す乙女メンタル
ヒンギスに"男みたい"と言われただけでメソメソ泣いてしまう乙女ぶり
このギャップが大きかったから2chでは人気あったよな

584 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 18:59:36.44 ID:ciUgcEZJ.net

ヒンギスにクソッ禿って言ってやれば良かったのにｗ

585 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 21:48:27.77 ID:7g9FE0mL.net

>>580
野球の打球はスライスなんじゃね？

586 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/13(月) 23:29:46.59 ID:+Em5B7fX.net

いや、野球のスイングも、アッパースウィングとダウンスウィングがある。

バッテイングセンターとかで、素人が飛ばしやすいのは、
ダウンスイングらしい。

587 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 07:19:17.93 ID:863Zrs+G.net

プロスピa版からきてる嫌がらせの奴じゃないかｗ？
まあ、俺も中学まで野球で高校からテニスはじめて県とったけどさ
たまたまテニス・野球・サッカーの強豪校で野球の監督が他高校に２０００万で
買い取られた年度だったからテニスに切り替えたんだけさ
スレ違いだが、野球経験はかなり生きるよ。遠投など投げる動作もサービスに
生きるしテニスの場合は内転・外転の使い方が若干違うだけ
ストロークでももちろん応用きく　ただ短絡的にアッパー　ダウンってだけの
話ではないけどな

588 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 07:25:36.81 ID:863Zrs+G.net

>>585
野球の打撃がスライスに応用できるかは間違い
むしろトップスピン系・サービス・フォアもバックにも応用できる
俺の一個上の先輩も野球出身者で県取ってるし関西インカレ８までいってる
オープン大会もそこそこだね
大昔だけどアシスタントインストラクターやってたことに社会人野球の人が
テニスに移ってきたけど数か月で見違えるほど上達した
ただ、フットワークだけは天性のものがあるかな
ただ野球出身者は打球の捕らえ方もうまいから　これは他球技にも共通するけど

589 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 07:33:05.06 ID:863Zrs+G.net

全身を使って運動連鎖でコンマ数秒の世界で打球を捉えることに関しては
他競技とは違う。しかし野球とテニスには共通点がかなり多い
だから野球出身者がテニス初めてもフォームさへ固めさせてあげれば
見違えるように上達する　サービスに関しては本人の努力もあるけど
もっとも適してる　むしろ他競技では全く得られないくらいの肩力があるから
サービスラインに収まるかは別として２００キロくらいのサーブは難なくこなせる
コートに収まるかは別ねｗ　実際これが重要なのでｗ

590 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 07:33:49.92 ID:863Zrs+G.net

逆に言えば錦織なんかが野球の遠投などを練習に取り組めば
もっと良いサーブ打てたのかも知れないね

591 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 08:13:24.94 ID:863Zrs+G.net

スレチだけどWBCの大谷にキックボクシングやらせたら駄目だわｗ
あの怪我で野球生命まで終わる　錦織も他競技取り入れるのはうまく他競技
取り入れたらいいと思うね。先日シャラポアがボクシング取り入れたみたいだけど
現役中は気をつけたほうがいいよ　まあ、トレーナーがシャラポアはしっかりしてた
大谷はダルビッシュ佑のバカが教えて壊した　トレーナーの重要さも大事だよ

592 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 08:28:08.09 ID:jA2tJ+Ea.net

とりあえず、バックハンドの話をしなさい

593 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 08:38:44.67 ID:DxVsMotm.net

これだから野球脳は…

594 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 10:08:18.80 ID:sYOLJe2J.net

>>586
野球の場合基本的にボールの下を打つから
真芯を捉えるテニスとはちょっと違うかな

一番の違いはステップをほとんどしないってこと
だろうねトップクラスの選手になればなるほど
ステップは少ないし

595 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 10:09:52.93 ID:sYOLJe2J.net

テニスの場合はステップしなかったら話にならないし

596 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 12:03:19.02 ID:ayvwl7Od.net

たまに、クレーで粘りナダルみたく、バックジャンプ気味にリバースで
打ちまくってるのもいるが。

597 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 13:39:05.72 ID:863Zrs+G.net

>>582
ヒンギス１４歳で出てきたからだわ
最初のインパクトが強すぎた。フットワークとバランスが過去にいない天才少女
だった。どんなに振り回されても軸がぶれない。
たぶんモラレス・エナンはその後強くなったんだろうね
片手ってのもあるしある程度体が出来上がってきてから覚醒したんだと思う
エナンは天才

598 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 14:08:12.85 ID:863Zrs+G.net

古い話になっちゃうけど、ナダルってマルセロリオスと何が違うの？

599 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 14:29:19.66 ID:aBvLCkV9.net

同じに見えるなら同じなんじゃない？

600 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 15:59:28.93 ID:1ixI2KZM.net

むしろ、どこが同じに見える？

601 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 16:45:40.35 ID:sYOLJe2J.net

ナダルは技術じゃなくてテニス選手としてはありえないくらい
の筋力でしょ

602 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 19:32:49.66 ID:863Zrs+G.net

フェデラー戦のリオスは可哀そうなくらい滅茶苦茶やられてるけど
もうちょっとクレバーなテニスしてたよ。身長も公式は１７５だけど
１７０くらいしかないと思う　それでこのテニスだから日本人が学ぶ点多いわ

603 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 19:34:32.58 ID:dG8Or794.net

>>602
自己レス？自演？

604 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/14(火) 23:21:49.89 ID:ayvwl7Od.net

クソわらたｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

605 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 00:00:14.23 ID:llZgGp50.net

なんでＩＤを真っ赤にしてまで、
バックハンドストロークのこと以外の話ばかりしているのか……

606 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 00:43:09.92 ID:GT6AGkIs.net

去年の末ぐらいからそういう人に粘着されちゃったのよこのスレ

・最近のテニスはわからんけど
・エナンは天才
・俺の頃は…

こういったキーワードを見た瞬間、その日のNGID箱にご招待してる
バックハンドの話から脱線しなきゃ連投もいいんだけど、何回言われてもわからないんだよねえ

607 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 02:18:41.37 ID:2NE3SZMF.net

>>606
そもそもテニスしてないのに、技術論で連投するのはどうなんよ
やっぱＮＧだな

608 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 05:54:40.25 ID:J6S/hymk.net

>>606
ここに来るまでエナンを知らなかったやつだろ
ツベで見て信奉者になったらしいw

609 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 08:09:01.04 ID:S4VdxMR7.net

>>603
チリのリオスならうれしいけどなｗ
チリ産サーモンを週３日食す程度だわ
>>607
真似るべき対象が間違ってると技術論語れないだろ
何でトレーナーついて筋骨隆々で１９０ｃｍ近い選手の真似るんだよ
野球の清原・野村が今ただの廃人でも野球論語ってもいいだろ
過去こうしとけば良かったなぁ〜とかさ
両手打ちならリオスが教科書通り　片手ならエナンがお手本
そこから個々人の能力　つまり肩力が異常に発達してる　剣道やってたからリストが
強靭だだと今後どういう筋トレしてくかとか考えてテニスに活かせばいいわけ
おまえちゃんこドカ食いして相撲取りにでもなってろ

610 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 08:16:50.98 ID:S4VdxMR7.net

あと女々しく食い扶持欲しさにテニスにしがみついてる鈴木みたいな
タイプは気を付けろ。
あいつのスライスやボレーがコンチじゃないのはチビだからだ
チビだからトップ選手と戦ってる上で仕方なくあの握りになった。
だたそれだけ　あの握りを強要してるのならアホだよ
ただテニスはまだアホが指導者やってるから強い選手が育たない

611 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 08:18:29.07 ID:S4VdxMR7.net

まあ、テニスは酒場と同じ役割もあるから・・・・
強さを求める必要性もないけどね・・・・

612 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 08:47:48.60 ID:85T74zal.net

バックハンドの話をしろよ
この基地外荒らし

613 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 08:49:46.72 ID:GT6AGkIs.net

また来た。毎日NG入れるのめんどくさいからコテかトリでも付けてくれんかな？

614 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:39:12.95 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

最近思うのはスクールなんかでも軟式やってて硬式に転向した人が
硬式の打ち方と称するものに直されてるんだけどそれって正解なのか
すごい疑問に感じてきた。

特にバックハンドに関しては軟式の人は片手バックがうまいんだけど
軟式の打ち方だからということでダブルハンドに直されたりしてる

でもトップ選手でまるで軟式のような打ち方で勝ちまくってる選手も
いるわけだし何が正しいのかまったくわからない

615 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:46:32.89 ID:6x7+RBry.net

軟式バックは上半身の使い方はむしろ両手バックハンドに近くて
硬式の片手バックハンドとは異質

616 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:50:22.55 ID:6x7+RBry.net

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yop8rWlSAw

プロでこんな上半身の使い方で片手バック打つのは
ユーズニーがたまにやるくらいか

617 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:53:31.50 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

軟式打ちで思い出したんだけど軟式から硬式に転向すると
直面する大きな違いっていうのがあって

ラケットの面を片面しか使わないってことなんだよなぁ

ナダルのフォアやバックみてて軟式の片面打ちバックって
僅かだけど対応が早くなるし手首を返すからスピンが自然にかかるし
使えるんじゃないかって思えてきた

618 ：名無しさん@エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:54:28.60 ID:8TRA2622.net

軟式の打ち方って言ってもその中でもレベルあるから、全国レベルの人なら硬式のスイングにアジャストするだけですぐ打てるようになるけど、それなりでしかないないほとんどの人は硬式のスイングの打ち方覚えてもいいと思うけどね。

619 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:56:00.29 ID:cTCzTZc2.net

>>615
グリップ違うと何もかもが違うんだよな

620 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 09:57:40.04 ID:yODxa3iM.net

>>618
まあ、結局スピンが一定以上かからないから、勝てないんだけどね

621 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:01:10.08 ID:6x7+RBry.net

>>618
俺の友人で軟式競技長いやつがいて
硬式テニスやる時は打ち方変えてるな
硬式だと身体回すの早すぎるとまともに打ち返さないのがすぐにわかるらしく
あんまり身体回さずに打つようにアジャストしてる
ただ、グリップは糞厚いままだし、テイクバックの時に左手でスロート支えることは慣れないみたい
で、グリップ厚過ぎて低い球の処理は苦しいらしく、かと言ってスライスも打てないから
身体を斜めにしてトップスピンを無理やり打ってるのな

622 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:04:18.30 ID:yODxa3iM.net

>>621
フォア考えるとわかるけど、身体回すの早いかは関係ないのね

623 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:06:50.68 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

>>618
硬式の打ち方を完全に体に覚え込ませた結果
一周回って軟式打ちにたどり着いてしまった感じｗ

なぜかって言うとフェデラーとかナダルとかトップ
選手が軟式の常識で硬式では非常識的な打ち方を
へいきでやってるから

やっぱ固定観念持ったらスポーツはうまくならないなと思った

624 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:09:52.76 ID:6x7+RBry.net

つうか、俺は軟式経験ないけどフォアとバックは同面打ちの片手バックだな
テニス始めた頃はちゃんと両面打ちだったんだが
グリップ厚くなっていく過程で気づいたら同面打ちになってた

625 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:11:18.14 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

例えば前レスでもいったけど片面バックハンドとか
サーブのときウエスタン側で持つグリップとかは
軟式独特のものだけど動画で見るとトップ選手は
使えるテクニックはなんでも試してるのがわかる。
動画があるっていい時代だわ♪

626 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:13:16.27 ID:yODxa3iM.net

>>623
ナダルは両手だぞ

627 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:15:02.01 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

思うのは日本は軟式があるから硬式選手が育たないんじゃなくて
軟式打ちもちょっとだけ直せばすぐ硬式に使えるのに全部を変えようと
する指導者が悪いんじゃないかと思う

628 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:15:38.65 ID:cTCzTZc2.net

>>623
ナダルは両手バックだな
何言ってんだこいつ

629 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:16:04.56 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

>>626
両手なんだけど軟式のスイングにとても似てる
軟式うちをダブルハンドにしたらあんな感じ

630 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:18:18.10 ID:yODxa3iM.net

>>629
もう少し詳しく

631 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:32:56.83 ID:xjZgOmEN.net

硬式の片手バックハンドは重い球の衝撃に耐えるために
ラケット持った側の肩の肩甲骨をインパクト直前に内転させて(普通無意識にやってる)
上腕を体幹にがっちりロックして、前腕を一気に振り出す土台にするんだけど
そうなるとインパクト時にラケット持ってない側の肩がいっしょに回りこんでくると
肩甲骨を内転させにくい(肩甲骨の内転は両側セットで引き起こされやすいから)
軟式のバックハンドはそこまで肩甲骨をロックする必要がないので
両肩を両手バックのように回してスイングスピードアップに使う

632 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:38:40.49 ID:yODxa3iM.net

>>631
そんな無理矢理関連付けなくていいよ
両手と軟式バックは全然違うから

633 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:41:00.07 ID:xjZgOmEN.net

>>632
興味ないなら黙っていろ坊や

634 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:43:21.29 ID:yODxa3iM.net

>>633
反論されたくないならお母さんに喋れば？

635 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:46:23.90 ID:kZ0cSmXO.net

反論というよりただのイチャモンだな
全く何の具体的な反論もしてないし

636 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:49:46.08 ID:coJVlh86.net

>>631
面が違うことに関する運動連鎖の違いを覆すほどの類似性ではないな

637 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:50:15.32 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

フェデラーなんて錦織のストロークの研究までしてるもんなぁ
テニス好きな人ならどんな些細なことでも可能性があれば模索する

638 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:52:38.97 ID:J2Qk9BjX.net

>>636
どう見ても類似性じゃなくて相違性の話>>631

639 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:53:38.98 ID:SwxCAqvn.net

理屈だと硬式ではラケットの両面を使わなきゃならないっていう固定観念が
あるけど実戦ではプロは片面バックを使ってるようなきがする。証拠はないがｗ

640 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:55:15.44 ID:coJVlh86.net

>>638
なんの相異性だよw

641 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:56:06.79 ID:coJVlh86.net

>>639
フェデラーはそうみえるよな
たぶん真ん中あたりで握ってるんだろう

642 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 10:58:32.56 ID:+kgAVXki.net

>>639
少なくともトッププロで同面打ちはいないよ
動画をスローモーションでよく見てみればわかるけど
グリップ厚いガスケやエナンですらわざわざ遠い方の裏面まで
グルリと100度くらい回転させてグリップチェンジしてるから
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdDwMj3_WMA

643 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:06:17.73 ID:coJVlh86.net

>>642
謎が溶けた

644 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:15:12.10 ID:+kgAVXki.net

フェデラーも当然、オーソドックスな両面打ち
フェデラーやエナンの構えは時間的に余裕がない時に咄嗟にスライスやブロックができるような薄いグリップで構えてる
ちゃんとテイクバックする余裕があると普通にグリップチェンジしながらバックハンド打つ
そうなると同面打ちは咄嗟のスライスがやブロックリターンに向いてないので
プロレベルの高速テニスだと困難

645 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:17:07.73 ID:+kgAVXki.net

軟式では同面打ちが最適解なのは
時間がなかったらスライスで対応って選択肢がないからね

646 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:17:48.62 ID:coJVlh86.net

>>645
軟式でもスライス使ってるやんw

647 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:18:48.25 ID:coJVlh86.net

>>644
ブロックリターンは面合わせるだけだからできるでしょ

648 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:20:27.03 ID:+kgAVXki.net

軟式バックはスライスの時だけ裏面使うという

649 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:22:40.96 ID:PNZW3lzt.net

>>645
最適解は、フラット質で打ちやすいからと認識している

650 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:33:57.34 ID:+kgAVXki.net

エナンとフェデラーて対照的なのはグリップチェンジのタイミング
エナンは相手の球がネット超える前にはグリップチェンジ終えてる
一方でフェデラーはいつグリップチェンジしたの？
ってくらいギリギリまでどっちを打つかわからないグリップチェンジ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhQ1xRfYJU

651 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 11:48:25.62 ID:W4GkqrkL.net

エナン　小柄だから　ラケットでか！

652 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 13:49:03.71 ID:Y0b3P7BV.net

軟式バックで一番強かった人は市民大会三位だったな。
逆に両手バックを軟式で見たのは県大会までだな。
それ以上のステージではいなかった。
合理的でないこのパターンで、最高どこまでいけるのだろうか？

653 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 13:59:34.34 ID:+kgAVXki.net

アルマグロは150度くらい回してグリップチェンジしてるな
それでも同面側にグリップチェンジはしないのな
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VjXRF812IU

654 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 14:00:22.52 ID:cTCzTZc2.net

>>652
そのレベルで議論できる人いるのかな…

655 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 16:23:14.99 ID:T0wF2bb6.net

両手バックバンド始めたんだけどハードヒットで力負けする感じする
体開いてラケット遅れてるんだろうか

656 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 17:07:44.59 ID:S4VdxMR7.net

かなり若い人多いね　このスレッド
軟式スタイルだと球出しならそれなりに熟せると思うけど、乱打・試合になると
スタミナ消費が激しいぞ。テニスエルボーにもかかりやすくなる
合理的な打法を身に付けないと行き詰ると思うけど・・・

657 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 17:13:20.96 ID:jzt/wZcL.net

>>656
ティエムみたいに強引に打つのを見ると、スタミナは関係ないな。
肘の負担は確かにあるだろう。

658 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 17:28:02.74 ID:S4VdxMR7.net

軟式・卓球・バトの経験は活かせると思うよ。
ただテニスは似てて非なるものだから
基本的な技術無視したら過去の経験も生きてこない
卓球の愛ちゃんのドライブだって工夫すればテニスに生かせると思うよ
軟式ってボレーって正面で打ったりするよね　あれではテニスは出来ないなんだよ
だからまず合理的な打法を身に着けてそれから自分が経験してきたものを
乗っければいいと思うよ

659 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 17:32:24.06 ID:jzt/wZcL.net

>>658
バックハンド以外は他でやってくれ

660 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/15(水) 17:43:38.06 ID:EeZ5o3yX.net

>>656
>かなり若い人多いね　このスレッド

シングルハンド比率の高さから考えても、若いやつは少ないんじゃね？

661 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 08:52:00.76 ID:frxtCr+l.net

テニスなんか一生懸命やらんほうがいいぞｗ
ハードな割に報われないから
やめとけテニス

662 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 08:55:56.17 ID:frxtCr+l.net

3か月だけきっちりバックハンド学んだら後は好きにやれｗ
それだけだｗ

663 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 08:57:19.29 ID:frxtCr+l.net

学問でも何でもそうだろ
こくごさんすうりかしゃかい学んだら後はてめーでやるしかない

664 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 11:02:56.46 ID:866a7Fr2.net

ただ学校の勉強とスポーツが違うのは答えはやってみればわかるってこと
やってみれば正解はわかる。うだうだいい続ける人は自分で試してない人

665 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 11:05:07.09 ID:gqfTZv+2.net

女子こそ、BHスライスを練習すればいいのに
誰もしないよね〜

666 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 11:08:19.97 ID:866a7Fr2.net

女子サッカーがワールドカップで優勝できたのは
他の国がやる前にポゼッションサッカーみたいな戦術
で勝つ方法をやったからテニスもまだパワーテニスで
ゴリゴリ押してるだけだから技術で抜き出れば日本の
選手にも十分チャンスあると思うわ

667 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 21:32:34.36 ID:DVKSp/js.net

スキアボーネってフォアとバックが同面じゃなかったけ？

668 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/16(木) 23:08:48.00 ID:cbs2mHH6.net

カルラスアレルナヴァロも同面

669 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/17(金) 10:42:07.86 ID:ET6Th/DC.net

>>666 つまり、エナンをコーチ招聘しろと・・・・

670 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/17(金) 20:25:04.64 ID:vXAIfL49.net

>>664
あるレベル以上はそうでもないんだなコレが

671 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/18(土) 16:34:47.90 ID:IAiMQWjw.net

高校生の頃は同じ握りでシングルバックハンドとフォアも打ってました
でもステップ踏むときはちゃんとコンチに戻してましたけど
バックはブレークでフォアはグルビスぐらい
人より相当手首強いと思ってる私ですら
今あんなのやったら1時間もしない内に逝く
若いってよかったなあ

672 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/18(土) 23:03:39.40 ID:bfSVZOsr.net

美しいスライスが打ちたいんごぉぉぉぉぉぉ

673 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 08:38:52.53 ID:dEndhuQi.net

滑〜るスライスが打ちたいんごぉぉぉぉぉぉ

674 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 16:41:59.13 ID:JxQCu1tr.net

普段両手打ちの人は、
片手スライスを打つ時に非利き手をスロート添えたりせず、
ギリギリまでグリップを握ってちゃんと両手風に偽装させることできてる？

俺は全然駄目……＿|￣|○
そういうことをするとスライスを打つことに集中出来なくなって、
ミスする率が高まっちゃうわ

675 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 16:55:43.49 ID:C7LadeQu.net

>>674
出来てる出来てないの問題じゃなくて、まずそんなことやろうとしてる人が殆どいない

スライスとスピンのテイクバックは全然違うんだから状況によってハッキリと使い分けるのが主流

フォームなんて細かいとこまで見たら人それぞれなんだから、同じフォームで打ち分けたいってんなら自分で試行錯誤した方がいいよ

676 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 17:42:32.73 ID:l+rEPkmo.net

>>674
両手のバックの相手に打たれたくないコースは
ダウンザラインだけなんだよね。

だからスライスとの偽装もあまり意味がない。
スライスでダウンザライン打たれるなら
両手のバックで打たれた方が厳しいしね。

677 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 21:19:26.55 ID:JxQCu1tr.net

そっか二人ともありがとう
偽装が必要なのはドロップを打つ時ぐらいで、普通の片手スライスなら別にやる必要はないのね

678 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 22:10:48.27 ID:5CVk2hpu.net

面を上に向けたスライスのテイクバックからフラットやスピンも打つ人がコーチで2人いる。
真似してやってみたら意外にもリストワークが効いてパンチが出るメリットもあるんだけど握りが薄い分、不安でなかなか試合では使えない…

679 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/19(日) 22:22:46.75 ID:48W778kK.net

>>678
リストの強さとちゃんと抑えの効いたボールが打てる筋力が必要なんだろうね

680 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/20(月) 00:29:47.24 ID:9h1bQNSR.net

深いトップスピン飛球に対して、ライジング気味にラケットを合わせると
良いスライスが打てた気がした。

681 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/20(月) 00:34:36.80 ID:ydIst9vV.net

15の夜

682 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/20(月) 05:42:47.81 ID:FfNZM87Q.net

>>680
間違いとは言わんが、きっちり打たれたトップスピンに、ライジング気味にラケットを合わせるのが難しい

683 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/20(月) 10:16:35.52 ID:9h1bQNSR.net

そう　ＢＬぎりぎりの深い球だったので、少しバックステップ入れながら
ライジングブロックすると、チューン！と飛んで行った。

相手は取れなかった。

打った俺が、相手だったら、やっぱり取れないと思った。

これが随意で出せたらね〜

684 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/20(月) 11:34:31.50 ID:PE39z4lp.net

テニス初めて半年間は科学的に考えながら練習する
半年後から動物的感性でやってみる。
限界を感じ再度科学的視点から練習に取り組む。さらに動物的感性に戻る
やがてそれを繰り返し年齢を重ね伸びしろが無い事に気づき現状維持がやっとになる。
引退。
モチベーションを保つならテニス関連を職業にするしか方法は無いｗ

685 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/20(月) 19:32:38.54 ID:MtRNA/fm.net

>>684
俺の場合、コツを分かりやすく教えてくれる人の存在が上達に一番影響した。
グンと伸びる時はいつもそう。

686 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/21(火) 10:12:21.77 ID:FyTIi6yl.net

バックもフォアもサープのプロネーションみたいに
腕のひねりが必要なのかなぁって感じてるんだけど
それが動画見ても早くてわかりづらい

687 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/21(火) 11:16:20.97 ID:dEn33ng4.net

>>685 それはいい環境だ
俺は誰も教えてくれる上級者がいなかったので
雑誌を読むことと、ネット動画だけで、上達を目指しているが
時間がかかりすぎる。

688 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/21(火) 11:25:02.93 ID:KbhX5a7j.net

でも今はネットで検索して動画も観られるんだから20年ぐらい前より格段に上達しやすくはなってるだろうな
昔なら門外不出の秘伝みたいなことをタダでバンバン教えてくれるんだからありがたいことだ

689 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/22(水) 09:46:27.68 ID:lBCa6wTn.net

それでも本当に良い情報が、銭がかかるよね
雑誌購読したり、専門書を買ったりさ・・・

ま、テニスだけに留まらないけど。

690 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/23(木) 14:14:07.24 ID:GaxRPi3q.net

鈴木貴男のスライス本

フォームやスウィングのイメージを覚えた上で、
スライスを打ちまくれば、そのうちにコツがわかります。

↑最近、この意味が分かってきた。

691 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 11:10:27.95 ID:fddEvFPS.net

バックハンドスライスは魔のショット

サイドラインに的確にコントロールされたスライス球は、
ダブルBHで、切り返すのは難しい。

こちらもスライスを使うしかないのは理解できてるが、
ダブルで持ち上げるか、スライスでブロックするか、
一瞬の迷いが、ネットに掛けてしまうのだ・・・

ちちしょ〜

692 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 12:19:16.32 ID:zw1/+GEG.net

スライスはスピンに弱く
スピンはスライスに弱い

693 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 12:27:17.98 ID:cnFo4vpG.net

https://youtu.be/FS8m6LGQ7As

うまい人は、ゆっくりスイングしてるのに、
ボールのスピードが速いと思ってたけど、
事実だった。

スイングスピードより、ボールの方が速い！

694 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 13:32:22.94 ID:DAsSJxj1.net

>>693
手首と腕のひねりも使ってるからスイング以上のパワーがでてるんじゃまいか

695 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 14:11:48.56 ID:NZ8rarCk.net

>>693
そりゃスタンだから上手いよな

696 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 15:42:28.41 ID:KMFhbGjx.net

誰であろうと打球よりスイングスピードの方が速かったらボールがストリングにめり込むか突き破るかするんじゃなか？

697 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 16:25:06.49 ID:Tt5qOD2M.net

ところが、そうじゃないんだよ。
他の人の動画で、同じぐらいだったり、
スピンのぐあいで、遅かったりする。

シロウトでも、同じぐらいのスイングスピード
出してるひともいるけど、ボールのスピードは
そんなに速くない感じ。

698 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 16:42:41.18 ID:DAsSJxj1.net

BGMが微妙だけどこっちのほうがわかりやすくない

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1PKIGN-_GI

699 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 16:46:17.17 ID:DAsSJxj1.net

これも

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QszaYTVv9bQ

700 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 17:44:18.30 ID:ELpKx/+Y.net

スピン成分が多くなればスイングに対して打球速度が遅くなるのは当たり前
それは差し引いて考えないと比較にならない

あとは腕のスイングスピードに対してヘッドスピードが速いとか、スイングウェイトが重いとか、プロストックのラケットは反発力が高いとか、そんなとこが要因として考えられる

そこからラケットによる要因も差し引けば、ゆったりした動きでヘッドスピードを上げることに尽きる
決してスイングが遅いのに打球が速いということではない

701 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 18:38:01.96 ID:bZwSQv7s.net

https://youtu.be/R8oSuXMEhPQ

これも、プロのフォーム。

球出しのスピードは同じぐらいかな？
サーフェースは違う。
ラケットも、違う。
スピンの量は、数字は、同程度？

ワウは、スイングプラス20ぐらいのボールスピード。
日本のプロは？

この違いの原因を解明することが、
スイングの質の違いの説明になるかも。

ラケット、サーフェスが違うのを差し引いて考える価値があると思う。

702 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 19:32:22.26 ID:h/nd8DR8.net

>>693
いやこれ相当スイングスピード速いでしょ
どんだけ体開き切れてるねん
素人でここまで行けない

703 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/24(金) 20:34:55.76 ID:9TK9OSSM.net

このセンサーのスイングスピードはグリップが移動するスピード？それともラケット先端のスピード？

704 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 09:23:57.51 ID:4Jv0n5Ul.net

>>687
逆に今の動画で調べられる環境のほうがいいよ
２０年前なんて上級生OBしかお手本いなかった。
上級生真似るか雑誌みるかプロの試合ビデオ録画するしかなかった

上のほうに色んなタイプの練習動画みて研究したほうが変な癖つかずに良いよ。

705 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 09:30:03.48 ID:4Jv0n5Ul.net

スイングスピードが速いっていうよりも、インパクトの瞬間にエネルギーが
上手く伝わってる。左手の肘をインパクト時に弓のように弾いてパワー・コントロール
をUPさせてる　フォロースルーなんて脱力してるし理想的なんじゃないの？
他の動画もそうだけど　脱力した感じがいいね

706 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 09:32:04.27 ID:4Jv0n5Ul.net

スイングスピードの速さを意識しすぎると変なところに力入ってインパクトの
瞬間にエネルギー逃げると思うよ

707 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 11:00:11.99 ID:yTs4Hu8w.net

>>701
SONYは相変わらず革新的なもの作るなぁ！！
でも売るのがヘタだからアップルとかにすぐパクられるけどｗ

http://smartsports.sony.net/tennis/JP/ja/

708 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 16:17:34.97 ID:0+8KSBmp.net

>>706
何のエネルギーがどこに逃げるわけ？

709 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 20:20:25.27 ID:4Jv0n5Ul.net

>>708
あっ・・・・
堅苦しく言うと運動連鎖が連携してインパクトの瞬間に最大限のエネルギーが
伝わればいいわけでしょ
スイングスピードだけを意識してしまうと運動連鎖がうまく働くなる可能性が高い
つまり手打ちになってしまう。力みが生じてしまうとそこで運動連鎖が途切れて
腕っぷしだけでスイングしてしまう。ワウリンカはしっかりと踏み込んでインパクトだけ
力入れる感じでフォロースルーも脱力してる様に見える。
脱力が重要で下半身からしっかりエネルギーが伝わってるかだと思うし
エネルギーが逃げるというより力みが生じればそこでエネルギーがストップしてしまって
手打ちになってしまう

710 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 20:45:48.54 ID:4Jv0n5Ul.net

インパクト瞬間もほとんどプレースメントだけ合わせてるだけかな
スピン量の調整で瞬間やわらかく力入れてるにすぎないと思うけど

後は左手の使い方でコントロールしてる感じは片手バックに関しては昔と
全く変わってない印象を受ける

711 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/25(土) 23:55:48.19 ID:TVc7Vf96.net

>>709
回答ありがとう
つまり、速く振ろうとして力むと、逆にスイングスピードが鈍ってしまい、強いショットを打てないよ、ってことでしょ？

ボールにエネルギーを与えられて無いのは単にスイングが遅くなってるからであって、速く振ろうとするのが悪いわけではないし、インパクトでエネルギーが何処か得体の知れないところに逃げちゃってるわけでもない
（もちろん、音や摩擦熱、ラケットやストリングの変形、振動となって逃げる損失は常にある）

そんな難しく考えずに、インパクト前までにラケットに与えた運動が、ボールに衝突して伝わるだけ、と考えた方が簡単で実際の現象にも近いはずだよ

712 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 00:17:44.67 ID:5Wz9FAsb.net

あと細かいこと言ってすまんけどね、例えば、

強く打つ（目的1）←速く振る（手段1＝目的2）←力まない（手段2）

という風に目的に対して手段という段階の連鎖があるわけですよ
「速く振る」と「力まない」というのは目的と手段の関係にあって次元が違うモノなのに、「力んでしまうから速く振ろうとするのは良くない」っていうような表現は本末転倒
本来なら「速く振ろうとするのに力むのは良くないよ」って話だよね

テニス理論を語る人ってこういう目的と手段の次元がごちゃごちゃになってる人が凄く多いと思う
もちろん自分もそうなってしまってることあるかもしれないし、人に伝える時は本当に気をつけたいと思ってる

713 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 01:11:08.05 ID:Iz8qb71c.net

＞＞速く振ろうとして力むと、逆にスイングスピードが鈍ってしまい、強いショットを打てないよ

そうなる可能性が高いと思いますね。俺も高いレベルでやってたわけではないので難しいですが
スイングスピードを意識しすぎてバランス崩したり肩に力入ったりパワーが伝わらないケースが
あるかなと思います。ただしトッププロは高いレベルでハードヒット（早いスイングスピード）で
熟してるので最終系はスイングスピードをUPさせることだろうと思う

714 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 01:23:56.68 ID:Iz8qb71c.net

＞＞力んでしまうから速く振ろうとするのは良くない」っていうような表現は本末転倒
本来なら「速く振ろうとするのに力むのは良くないよ」

そう思いますね　個々人のレベルがあるのでスイングスピードを上げることだけを意識して
フォームも軸も崩れるようなら最初にやるべき事があると思う
上の練習ビデオでもトッププロでさえハードヒット（スイングスピード）意識してないし
バランスを重視して練習してると思う。試合ではスイングスピードがより速くなるだろうけども
順序があるかなと思ってます。

715 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 09:54:19.91 ID:Qbdlz24v.net

やっぱ、プロのテニス筋は鍛えられてるな〜

ショットが鋭すぎる〜

716 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 09:54:37.18 ID:1VENzFxw.net

くだらん。ボールの真後ろを捉えて素早くヘッドを回していくことが基本であり全て。
別により速く！って意識で間違ってない
力んでいたらヘッドは回らないで速く振れないからどうせ力を抜かざるを得ない

速く振るってのを強いインパクトと勘違いしてるやつはそもそもが間違ってる

717 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 10:39:30.11 ID:Iz8qb71c.net

>>715結局テニス筋が鍛えられてると思うよ。ただマッチョでもテニ
ス筋鍛えられてない人も
いるからボデイービルダーがいきなりハードヒットしても変なスイングになるだけ
エネルギーが伝わらないと思うよ
>>716
どのレベルで語るかって話になると思う。
野球で例えるのもどうかと思うが歴代最強のホームランアーチスト中村剛也（おかわり君）
なんかは６・７割の力で打ってると言ってる。それが最もエネルギーが伝わりやすく回転を
上手く生かせるらしい。
素早くヘッドを回していくことが基本であり全て　それが難しいわけだろ

718 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 10:40:57.75 ID:Iz8qb71c.net

＞＞素早くヘッドを回していくことが基本であり全て

これを詳しく説明しないと

719 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 10:52:50.86 ID:Iz8qb71c.net

前スレで片手バックでサイドスピンが掛かるとか居合抜きとかって話があった
そのレベルでより早く素早くヘッドを回すことが全て・・・
こんなこといってればよりサイドスピンがかかった変なボールになるだけだと思うぞ

レベルにもよるけどサイドスピン・居合抜きレベルで語るなら順序があるよ

720 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 11:51:01.15 ID:NO6GWMWI.net

とっくにみんなわかってる事だけど、
スイングスピードを上げるのは、永遠の課題。

その為には、力を入れて打てばいい、
筋肉を鍛えればいい。ってのが間違い。

どういうフォームで打つのか？
脱力？

で、スマートセンサーのワウの動画でわかるのは、
スイングスピードが、110キロで、ボールが130出てる事実。

他の人の動画でも、一般的な人でも110は簡単に出てる。でも、130のボールスピードは出てない。

スイングスピードもっと速い人もいるし。
速いと、それなりにボールも早い。

もっと、本気でプロの打ってる数字が知りたい。
140で振ると、160になるの？
それとも、くいこむから、145？

フェデラーのも見たい。

721 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 12:10:21.67 ID:Iz8qb71c.net

フォームなんかプロの練習風景みて真似ればいい
リラックスして打ってる姿を真似ればいいんじゃない？

左手の使い方に注目　スライスでもスピンでも片手バック上手い人は左手の
使い方うまいよ

だれか説明してくれｗ

722 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 12:18:15.94 ID:NO6GWMWI.net

まあ、フォームはわかるし、自分でもそれなり
に練習してる。

でも、プロの玉、実際にコートで打てるなんてないから、興味あるし。

723 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 15:57:33.94 ID:30wBF8nu.net

クエルテンののように軟式打ちでラケット面をそのまま
打球方向と平行に引いて打つやり方もテクニックとして覚えたい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwUvcJBqKBo

724 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 16:06:15.96 ID:30wBF8nu.net

違いがわかる色んな選手のバックハンド

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwUvcJBqKBo

725 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 17:31:55.26 ID:GJ5iOYte.net

当ててから素早く回して見えるのは順序的にスピンの要素が大きいんだけどな

テニスは野球のバッティングみたいな手首の返しはしないから、強く打ちたきゃ当てるまでの加速が最も重要

�@グリップから引き出して�Aハンマーのようにぶつけに行き�Bワイパーのように振り抜く

�@のとこで身体を使ってゆったり、�Aで一気にヘッドをぶつけにいけば、ゆっくり振ってるようで速そうなショットになるでしょ

726 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/26(日) 22:08:25.00 ID:30wBF8nu.net

>>724
ウラル間違えた

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWfACkOtQMk

727 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/27(月) 11:05:56.88 ID:Q1DPl5tp.net

元祖ワイパースイングのドイツのアンケフーバー見習えばいい

728 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/27(月) 11:22:36.87 ID:Q1DPl5tp.net

リストの使い方なんて野球もテニスもなんぼでも変更できる。
スライスサーブとツイスト打つときのリストの使い方くらいなもの

決定的なのはフットワーク　テニスは球は動く自分も動く作業だから

結局、フットワークが悪いと感じるならフーバーの様な手打ちのワイパースイングで勝負すればいい
徹底してワイパーやってればテニス筋ならぬワイパー筋がつく　自然に体重も乗ってくる
これはフットワークの悪い奴がうまくなる最大の救済処置
元祖ワイパーのフーバーを見習おう

729 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/27(月) 11:35:44.86 ID:Q1DPl5tp.net

当時はグラファイト・プロスタッフのチタン系が主流だったけど
同じ時期にデカラケ長ラケ厚ラケってのも出始めてた。
グラフ・サンプラスなんかはラケット変えられなったんじゃないかな？
プレースタイルの変更も必要にったので。アマチュアでもそうだったよ

元祖ワイパーのフーバーは最新ラケットにがんがん切り替えてたね
ワイパーだけに極力性能のいいラケットを求め続けてた

今の人は最初から性能いいラケットだからワイパースイングだけで十分いけるよ

730 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/27(月) 11:52:37.25 ID:v2CnYaiU.net

テニス筋だよ

最速・最強・最適なショットを打つためにはね

プロは、その筋力で食べているんだ

731 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/27(月) 12:10:26.94 ID:azohry7h.net

>>727
ウェスタンでやればよりスピンが掛かるってことかな

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCm6OIjbPr4

732 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 11:57:07.78 ID:LzKg0/rS.net

はやくスライス・マスターになりたい〜

733 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 12:20:01.72 ID:xkepiH4B.net

BHスライスのフットワークとして、キャリオカステップはあまり重視されてないのかな？

734 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 12:37:25.29 ID:OmIaDwR9.net

>>733
そんなステップあったね。そんなこと意識してる時点で負けてる。
それはテニス初めて３か月以内に練習するくらい。あとはウオーミングアップとして
ランニングしたりコートをキャリオカステップしたり程度にしないと
ラケット握ってキャリオカステップは３か月までにしないと

そんなこと意識してる時点で負けてる

735 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 13:39:53.71 ID:xkepiH4B.net

>>734
そうか、初歩的過ぎて意識にもないか。
BHスライス打つ姿勢を作る上で必要だと思ったんだが。
レス抽出しても出てこないから、どうなのかなと思ってな。

736 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 14:12:56.73 ID:hw+ZHOTD.net

キャリオカは前進しながら打つときのステップだよな
実際にやる機会はあまり多くない

737 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 15:24:18.95 ID:7K5dnaYL.net

>>736
率先してやることは多くないが、打たされる機会はままあるんで覚えといて損はないかなって感じ

ちなみにキャリオカしながらのドロップは結構決まる

738 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 15:40:42.31 ID:xkepiH4B.net

>>736
>>737
前進しないまでも、前足に荷重をかけたり
身体が開かないように、後ろの足を前に持ってこないようにしていたんだが、
それはステップではないと言われればそうだが。
そんなに出番がなかったのか。

739 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 16:54:13.75 ID:wDLhDnG4.net

>>738
キャリオカ、悪くないと思うよ。

上達ってのは、最初意識してやってたことが、次第に体に染みこんで、意識しなくても自然に動くようになる。
その繰り返しだからね。

740 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 16:57:10.51 ID:LIlttGu+.net

覚えるも何も普通に打ってりゃそうなるだろ

741 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 17:02:02.91 ID:wDLhDnG4.net

>>738
ちなみに、体の開きを抑えるなら、利き腕と逆側の足の膝に気をつけるといい。
前に流れないように

742 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 18:28:36.94 ID:78Dg3hp7.net

てか、ドロップのとき必ずキャリオカだ。
直さないとバレるな。

743 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 18:30:37.45 ID:xkepiH4B.net

>>741
良かった、分かってくれる人がいて
逆側の足の膝はどうしたら良いですか？

744 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 21:47:48.76 ID:WmaOBZB1.net

>>743
みんな分かってると思うよ

でもキャリオカってのは体を開かずに前進する＝スライスアプローチに使うステップなのよ
最近スライスアプローチでネット勝負って人は少ないからあまり使わない

そして、別に前進しなくていいならキャリオカ使わなくても身体の開きは抑えられるし

何より、重視なんかしなくても普通に出来るよね使わないけど、っていう人が多いだろうね

745 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 22:00:41.63 ID:xkepiH4B.net

>>744
そもそもスライス打ちの人口が少なくなったのか

746 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 22:18:57.10 ID:GaxS+CKI.net

>>745
んな事ない。
プロはともかく、その辺の草トーならいいスライスは有効な武器になる。
俺は基本両手だけど、もっとスライスが上手くなりたいと思ってる。

747 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/02/28(火) 23:31:53.16 ID:/+bbl+9N.net

スライスは威力より相手を動かして守らざるほうが
有効だから、キャリオカしてまで
球に力を伝えなくていいっしょ。

キャリオカなんてボレー全盛期の名残の技術だね

748 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 00:41:40.97 ID:C7JeF2B+.net

は？

749 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 05:43:50.64 ID:ks+WGMEl.net

だそうだww

750 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 06:03:12.75 ID:swExAFCX.net

やたら偉そうなくせに、ピントの外れた書き込みなんとかしてくれ

751 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 06:31:02.10 ID:AuN7CF+Z.net

>>742
ドロップ打ったら前に出るのは普通だろ
ステップは直す必要ないと思われ
ただ、攻撃的なスライスがなければ、構えみて相手は前にポジション取ってくる

752 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 08:39:25.49 ID:O5zVlt0o.net

>>747
壮絶なまでの無知

753 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 09:35:44.37 ID:KmPhnujn.net

http://tennis-nobu.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_4e9/tennis-nobu/02-ed25c.jpg
近藤プロの片手バック

754 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 09:59:21.95 ID:fqofJicw.net

ちょっとロムってわかったこと・・・

キャリオカ言いたいだけやないかｗ

755 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 11:44:02.34 ID:QEQ73HmY.net

憧れのスライスマスターになりたいな　ならなくちゃ、
ぜったい　なってやる〜

756 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 11:58:20.73 ID:8Yo0eFS0.net

スライスのアプローチだったら絶対キャリオカ使うだろ
まあスライスのアプローチ大嫌いな奴がこのスレには多いからキャリオカ自体も否定したいんだろ

757 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 12:02:20.84 ID:6xhE0zFj.net

自分がキャリオカステップかどうか意識したこともないが、スライスアプローチは大好物
鋭く低いスライスが思った通りにキマればあれほど楽しいショットはない

758 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 20:34:37.31 ID:/1N6m3A3.net

最近のテニスはキャリオカ使わないぞ

759 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 21:02:50.72 ID:/61sBw31.net

>>758
その言い方が既に？
使う使わないってものじゃない

テニスの動きができてれば、自然にそうなる。
その動きを身につけさせるために、名前をつけて意識させる
そういう足さばき

760 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 21:35:36.64 ID:wbzIrcsw.net

スライスアプローチで1.2歩なるな。
意識はしてない

761 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 21:46:38.37 ID:Xzl1L/b8.net

スライスアプローチなんて
膝曲がらないオッさんのショットだな


恥れよ身体能力の低さに

762 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 21:54:32.22 ID:SYo4+2ue.net

約一名ほど必死な奴がいるな

763 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 22:30:03.36 ID:6xhE0zFj.net

>>761
恥れよ？ちれよ？
まず己の日本語能力を恥じろ

764 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/01(水) 22:46:51.71 ID:Xzl1L/b8.net

>>763
ジャップ

765 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 00:25:17.73 ID:Jic+2BVN.net

ジョップ？

766 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 05:05:54.17 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

>>761
膝曲げてアプローチ？？？？
根底からお前おかしいぞ。球出しから出直せ

767 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 05:12:21.90 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

>>747
一理あると思うｗ
ボレー全盛期のボレーでのバックハンドウイニングショットはキャリオカだった。
サンプラスなんかの決め球バックボレーみてみな　全てキャリオカ
もちろん意識してる訳ではないがスライスアプローチもキャリオカだよ
でも今のボレーからしてオープンで決めるケース多いしキャリオカを見る場面
少なくなってるね　

768 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 05:19:32.67 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

>>753
昔からそうだがテニス雑誌に惑わされない方が良い。
適当な事を活字として数百字以上残さないといけないとかやり取りあるから。
今の時代はネットで調べられるから雑誌は極力読まないほうがいいね。

そのベーシックのフェデラーの左手の開きから（左手が左後方に引いてる）スピン量が多いのが連想されるし
ワウリンカかハードヒットして左手で開き抑えてるね
ライジングのはコンパクトに使ってる　そのプロのコメントは雑誌用のコメントだよ意味ない

769 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 05:49:08.33 ID:ZznokRAj.net

>>767
>一理あると思うｗ

ねえわ
てか、キャリオカ否定厨と同じ穴の狢
もしくは、同一人物
キャリオカの定義から出直し

770 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 11:02:01.23 ID:FLgQd3Uw.net

相手バックへのスライスアプローチを
ストレートロブで切り返されたときは、
メンタル的にきっつい。

771 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 12:06:59.92 ID:/6EWa3FI.net

>>758
クソワロタ
スライスアプローチとか詰めながらのバックハンドハイボレーどうするんだよ

772 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 12:08:38.67 ID:/6EWa3FI.net

>>767
オープンで決めるボレーの参考動画見せてくれ
本当に気になる

773 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 12:38:34.19 ID:V/ZTmq6c.net

>>772
バックの、な

774 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 16:50:54.90 ID:gfjwXUeN.net

>>773
バックボレーでもいいからはよ

775 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:06:22.05 ID:gfjwXUeN.net

認識おかしかったら悪いけどキャリオカって
右利きの選手で決めるバックボレーだとすると左足を右足より右側に逃して後ろで足がクロスしてるような状態の事だよな？

右肩ぶつけにいくイメージでしか俺は打てないしこれ以外の足の運びでどう打つか本当に気になる

776 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:10:55.48 ID:jT6Qx6AU.net

いつからキャリオカがボレーのフットワークになったんだよ

777 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:14:52.11 ID:rS/e8jix.net

>>775
片手バックハンドのスライスアプローチを打って前に出るときのフットワークで、
身体が開くのを防ぐ効果があると、スクールのコーチに教わったが。

778 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:19:46.07 ID:gfjwXUeN.net

>>776
いやだから、大雑把に簡潔に言うと足を後ろに逃がすだけのステップだろキャリオカって
>>758がキャリオカ使わないって言うからえっじゃあバックハンドボレーの時とかどうなんの？って話だろ
ボレーのフットワークとかじゃなくてボレーの時に使う事もあるステップの中の一個ってだけだろ

779 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:50:25.34 ID:Rv+Fy5BM.net

>>778
前進しつつ、右足を軸にしてボールを打つから、左足がクロスするように後ろに流れる。
体が前進しながら打ってるから、地面を踏んで止まってる右足を左足が追い越すわけだ。
これがキャリオカステップ
ボレーのフットワークとは、根本的に違うだろ
お前が右足に乗っかってボレーを打ってるなら、それが間違ってる。

780 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:52:30.14 ID:gfjwXUeN.net

詰めるバックボレーの時にインパクトに合わせて右足で踏み込むよな？
そのあと左足は右足の後ろ側に逃がさねーか？
こんなの無意識でやってることだけど何回素振りやってもこれ以外のステップにならねーわ
キャリオカ使わないって言ってる奴はどうやってんのか気になるしもっといいステップあるなら知りたいってだけだ

781 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:53:22.29 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

キャリオカって言いたいだけでしょｗ

テニスだけではなくサッカー野球すべて練習でキャリオカ取り入れてるよ
ジダンのマルセイユルーレットもキャリオカ
カズダンスもキャリオカｗ

キャリオカ言いたいだけでしょｗ

782 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:54:43.24 ID:gfjwXUeN.net

>>779
説明不足で悪かったけど詰めるバックハンドハイボレーの時な
右足で踏み込んだ後左足は右足の後ろに逃がすだろ？
これとは違うのか？

783 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:57:20.06 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

>>782
それ１００％キャリオカだ

784 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 17:59:56.14 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

バックハンドハイボレーはどうしてもキャリオカステップになってしまう。
緩ければ緩いほどキャリオカで微調整したフットワークになる

785 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 18:04:44.99 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

>>772
オープンも必要でしょ
相手の速い球ならオープンで決めるケースあるでしょ

786 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 18:07:14.22 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

オープンって表現が曖昧だな
左足を軸にしたウイニングバックボレーも必要って話
当然、打った後は右足も付いてくるような感じにはなるけど
軸足の話だよ

787 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 18:09:21.95 ID:IeJGfPk+.net

むかしのように踏み込んでボレーしなければならない
って感性は今は無いでしょ。
ラケット性能もいいし左足を軸にフィニッシュボレーが当たり前だから

788 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 18:20:50.55 ID:Rv+Fy5BM.net

もういい、俺が間違ってた

789 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 18:54:00.99 ID:5QGDoYKu.net

素晴らしいキャリオカ。
自然に出来るまで、練習しよう。

https://youtu.be/Qdn8qa2N1Cc

790 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 19:02:08.80 ID:bnEzKPic.net

>>789
おー分かりやすい

791 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 19:37:29.34 ID:8tQx6x/q.net

キャリオカって文字がゲシュタルト崩壊しそう(´・ω・`)
意識的に使おうとすると足絡まってコケそう(´・ω・`)(´・ω・`)

792 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 23:04:12.69 ID:q//MOFNt.net

キャリ丘の利点は前に出ながらアプローチショットを打てるの(=少し早く前に詰められる)と、スライスで重要な体の横向きを維持できる事、この2点だけでしょ
ボレーでキャリ丘とか意味不明、多分キャリ丘じゃないステップを言ってる

793 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 23:15:37.75 ID:ONJL/uRH.net

ニシオカ？

794 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/02(木) 23:33:48.05 ID:TFd/M4cr.net

仮置きステップ

795 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 00:31:51.30 ID:IRNxGpSd.net

上の動画の1球目、3球目キャリオカ。

796 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 01:32:11.91 ID:cApBIIYa.net

弾の巻急に関係なくBLぎりぎりに来たスライスほど
厄介なものはないね

797 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 01:32:27.37 ID:cApBIIYa.net

弾の緩急に関係なくBLぎりぎりに来たスライスほど
厄介なものはないね

798 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 01:55:45.85 ID:0cOxl3vf.net

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb_yYgT-CL4

これ真似てもっかいテニスやるかな。
これ記憶して自分のテニスすんのがベストだわ

799 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 07:54:03.92 ID:eLEe/3VA.net

>>798
昔からエナンだけ異端なほど男子に近いフォームだったもんな。エナンならマジで男子にも技術的なコーチ出来るんじゃないかと思えるほど。
これに男の体格と筋力あったら文句なく世界最高の片手バックだったかもしれない。

800 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 08:39:43.53 ID:0cOxl3vf.net

>>299
無駄のない世界最高のバックハンドだと思う。
上のクエルテンとか南米系は癖があるし、ワウリンカはリストの強さが良くも悪くも
頼ってしまってるよ。この選手はベーシック　理にかなった打ち方ってこういうことだと思う

801 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 10:07:23.16 ID:wcofAD4d.net

>>798
ほんとに女子とは思えないスムーズさだなぁ
エナンってどこ故障してたんだっけ？ひざだっけ？

802 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 10:33:51.72 ID:cApBIIYa.net

心

803 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 10:36:17.68 ID:cApBIIYa.net

旦那が働かなくなって、エナンの銭で豪遊し始めた

804 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 11:23:11.44 ID:tKHvuR5Q.net

>>792
前に詰めるバックボレーの時インパクトの時に右足で踏み込むだろ？
その後左足は右足の後側に逃がすよな？
これがキャリオカステップじゃねーのか？
http://news.tennis365.net/lesson/img/pro_gif/henman_volley_02_0302.gif

805 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 11:42:51.38 ID:0cOxl3vf.net

>>792
根本的に違うんよ　前に詰めるのが早くなる　これはあってる
ただ、キャリオカってのは体の開きを抑える目的のフットワークなわけ

前に詰めるのが早くなるのは結果論であってキャリオカの重要な事は
テニスにおいては体の開きを抑えながら動けるフットワークである事

バックハンドならスライス・ボレーに限らずドライブ・トップスピンでも
使える必要はあるよ。キャリオカは開きを抑えながら動けるフットワーク

806 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 11:50:02.74 ID:0cOxl3vf.net

>>792
横向きなんて表現を使ってる時点で駄目なわけ
根本的にテニスを知らない証拠なわけ
開きを抑えるって表現を使えるまでテニスやらんと・・・・
開きを抑えることの意味は経験で理解できるようになるから

807 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 13:37:09.83 ID:wcofAD4d.net

>>803
あの頃ってそういうクズな身内持ったテニス選手結構いたなぁｗ
ドキッチもオヤジがかなりやばい人で病んでた記憶ある

808 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 13:44:00.28 ID:wcofAD4d.net

普通にうってると思ってたけどこの動画のフェデラーってフォアも
バックもスピンかけてるんですか？偉い人教えて

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZjBFyDnSo

809 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 13:59:32.11 ID:Ecuz9ZHh.net

>>806
うるせーよ、横向きで打ててるんだよ、俺は
俺のツルッツルに滑るスライスでも食らいやがれ

810 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 15:14:26.26 ID:uz6UaZnz.net

>>806
横向きも開きを抑えるも、言葉の使い方の問題
それをテニスの質に結びつけて、上から目線でどうこう言うからややこしくなる

811 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 16:15:31.92 ID:0cOxl3vf.net

>>809>>810
それねｗ
横向きと開きを抑えるが似てるようで全く違うから問題なんだわｗ
言葉の使い方の問題だけじゃなく、体の使い方・テニスおける重要性が
全く違うから問題なんだよｗ　言葉は似てるんだけどねｗ
>>808
それあれだわｗ
こないだの鈴木のボレー動画でも同じだけどフラットなんて存在しないんだわ
フラットに限りなく近いスピンORスライスなだけでフラットなんて言葉は存在しないんだわ
フラットってサーブか初心者のムーンボール以外で存在しないんだわ
そのフェデラーは練習でスピン量を調整しながら確かめるように打ってる

812 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 16:56:54.18 ID:wcofAD4d.net

確かに練習段階ではフラットはあるように思えるけど
実戦形式でテニスコート使って打つとフラットだと
コントロールがまったくできないしラリーにもならない

813 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 17:20:02.70 ID:XeMVoIG5.net

理屈こねてるだけで中身がない

814 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 17:37:18.99 ID:0cOxl3vf.net

>>812
そういうことなんだわｗ
横向き・開き抑える問題と同じで、コントロールのためにスピン調整するのが
テニスなんだわ　それが日本人のコーチングだとまずスピンの打ち方を
技術的に教え込んじゃってるわけ　本来スピンによって角度つけたり深くうったり
コントロールするのが本来の目的なわけだ。
スライスも同じ　滑る滑らないより前にアンダースピンで調整してコントロールするのが
目的なわけ　　　
根本が逆になっちゃってるね

815 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/03(金) 20:40:23.84 ID:ehuatWC0.net

テニスにフラットなど存在しない
わずかに回転がかかってるからね

しょーもな

816 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 14:40:29.22 ID:gkU60ZMw.net

>>815
フラットで打つ選手みたことあんのかｗ？
ウッドの時代でもおらんぞｗ

817 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 14:42:10.45 ID:gkU60ZMw.net

ボリスペッカーのサービスくらいだよ。
本当のフラットサーブって
ボリスベッカーはウエスタングリップでサーブ打ってたからな

818 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 14:44:03.85 ID:gkU60ZMw.net

>>808
スピン思いっきりかかってるやん
っていうか握りが厚いから基本スピン系ショットの握り・スイング
それで完璧なフラット打てたら異常者の世界だよ
その握りでフラットは打てない　断言するｗ

819 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 15:34:17.48 ID:31Oa3Dyl.net

>>808
誰の動画かと思えばフェデラーか
フェデラーはフォアもバックも全部スピンだと思っていいよ

820 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 18:37:56.61 ID:0snqIzWt.net

しょうもない奴が居座ってるなぁ

821 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 20:57:25.24 ID:2O9ZdIO7.net

ペッカーってないわ

ペッカーって

822 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 20:58:12.01 ID:ZkStpXJU.net

両手バックで強打すると
アウトするのは何を直したらいいの？

823 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:04:31.13 ID:BuaYvzpc.net

>>822
打ち方だな
それ以上は、見てみないことにはなんとも言えん

824 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:06:52.15 ID:2O9ZdIO7.net

>>822
全部

見ないと分からんわ

825 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:08:18.53 ID:2O9ZdIO7.net

>>822
これはレベル低い系の話だろ
改善案欲しいなら詳細書け

自称プロフェショナルどもが色々アドバイスしてくれるぞ

826 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:17:00.27 ID:ZkStpXJU.net

ネット越すスピンで打つと、相手に強打されるの。
何を直したらいいの？

ここにいるプロ達ならヒント出せるでしょ？

827 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:21:51.77 ID:C9hbp3Ij.net

>>826
まず直すのは文章の書き方だな。
そりゃネットを越さないスピンで打ちゃ、強打はされないと思うが

828 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:42:21.25 ID:2O9ZdIO7.net

>>826

次の方どうぞー

（話にならん）

829 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:43:26.44 ID:ZkStpXJU.net

なんだ、プロ達も内弁慶な応対なんだな

830 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 21:46:45.11 ID:2O9ZdIO7.net

下手くそなのはかまわんが、日本語詠めないアホ相手だとさすがにムリ

831 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/04(土) 22:10:51.11 ID:ZkStpXJU.net

偉そう人達しかいないんだね。

テニスプロでも無いのに

832 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/05(日) 00:05:16.46 ID:kRnUzluz.net

頭悪そう

833 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/05(日) 06:52:39.99 ID:a36kZWPp.net

ダブルハンドでしっかり返せないのは多分手打ちだからだよね
テイクバックをしっかり真後ろまで引いてないとかでしょ。
自分が思ってる以上にテイクバックはしっかり引かないとダメ

834 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2017/03/05(日) 07:13:20.71 ID:enP6nJRR.net

>>833
それはあるな。
腕で振ったらダメ、フォア以上に体全体で打つ感じ。
ただ、使い方はコンパクトだけど、腕を使わないのもダメ。
インパクトの瞬間に、腕を柔らかく使えないと、ボールを叩けない。

835 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2018/04/07(土) 13:57:11.10 ID:svBDMi1b4

回転がかかってるのは当たり前だけど回転量によってフラット系スピン系のリターンを
分けていいとは思う。回転かかってても量が少なければフラットと変わらないし

836 ：名無しさん＠エースをねらえ！：2018/04/12(木) 09:57:41.20 ID:dga1I5pt1

シングルハンドでダブルハンドと同じようにトップスピンがかけられるようになったわ
頭でわかってても体がわかるまでに数年かかってしまった